Can someone please confirm that the ones I photographed are actually D. cardinale or are they one of the other So Cal spp.? Also, apporx. how long does it take for seed to ripen? I would lke to go back to get them but I don't want to keep going back to check. I assume it would be July or August at the earliest, am I correct? If I can get enough seed (which I think is possible from the amount of plants that I saw), I will send a bunch to Dell for the BX. ===== John Ingram in mostly gloomy but warm, L.A., CA. Not much blooming right now, just a few Crinums, a sinningia or two, and some fabulous Pelergoniums. jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/floralartistry2000/