This came as a bounce. I'm not sure why since Chuck is a member of our list. But I am sending it on. From: "Chuck Gleaves" <cgleaves@kingwoodcenter.org> Subject: pbs-Brodiaea-TOW Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:50:40 -0400 Sorry to continue the conversation about Triteleia laxa under the topic of Brodiaea, but I was very gratified to read Jim Waddick s description of his experience with T. l. Queen Fabiola . A year ago last fall I planted bulbs of Queen Fabiola from two different sources. In the spring there was an occasional wisp of a leaf which soon disappeared. I assumed they were dead and I even removed the label. (I usually leave the label as a sort of memorial to my hope for a resurrection.) I thought the sale of that bulb to my climate was some sort of bad joke. This spring I was surprised to see a couple of nice healthy clumps of leaves and flower buds emerging. It is a great find out other people have similar experiences. By the way Jim, your name was invoked at the recent Siberian and Species Iris Conference in Hamilton, Ontario I also have graduated to zone 6 in the proposed USDA zone map. We never were able to grow stuff like Magnolia grandiflora, Lagerstroemia indica, Viburnum rhytidophyllum, and Prunus laurocerasus with any degree of reliability, but I guess now we can. The new map offers less information and confuses old references. Progress? Chuck Gleaves Kingwood Center Mansfield, Ohio Zone 5