I have very few species lilies but I do love those I have. Here is CA, lilies are not the most reliable thing but (thanks in part to Lee's encouragement), I have tried a few. I have the standard "Eastern Lily" that I purchased last year as a forced plant. It was in a 1 gal. container and flowered nicely at the time. I put it into a 3 gal. container last fall (or was it this spring?). It originally had only 3 stems, it now has 5 stems with 3-8 flowers each and a few smaller stems with 2-3 flowers. I have it growing at the beach (Venice) in full sun. The stems are less than 2' tall but nice and tigh. Some of the leaves and flowers are slightly deformed. I haven't looked closely enough to see if it is bug damage or what. I have a growing ingterest in lilies here now since this one is doing so well. I also have here L. regal alba. It was purchsed for a landscape client who complained about budget too much so it was never planted. I put 2 bulbs in a 1 gal. container. Some did not produce flowers while others produced 3 per stem. They are not umbles or racemes. They are more of a discombobulated mess. One shooting off here, one higher there, etc. They are growing in dappled shade. I will see what they do next year. As for whatI have planted in Ohio, well, the list goes on and on for the hybrids but I am only just starting to put in the species. I planted formossanum (from Plant Delights) last spring ('02). Many were damaged by a late frost (after Mother's Day) and did not flower. I think there were 3 or 4 flowering stems out of 6 (?) plants. I ordered more this year (and they again were damaged by a frost or two (late April). Digging around in the bed planting other things this spring, I found all the bulbs. Most of them have appeared to have lost the main center bulb (if they had it when they were planted I don't know since they were in pots to begin with). They did have many smaller (obviously not flowering size) bulbs around that will continue to grow. This year I added L. regal alba and L. leucanthemum. The regal alba I have always admired in the catalogs for years but never took the step. I have them on an east facing wall behind large clumps of daylilies but next to a beautiful climbing Abraham Darby rose. In front of the dayliilies I have some peach hybrids (Peach Butterflies I think) from The Lily Garden. The L. leucanthemum (I only got 3 bulbs of these) are on the south side of my largest perennial bed (15' x 45'). It is a raised bed (completely in full sun save for a few large shrubs) and they are planted at the top (only 12" or so high) near some bearded iris. They will be near to two hybrid lilies ('China Express' and one other I can't think of at the moment) and Perovskia. I hope they look good together. I have always wanted to get L. candidum but they ship those at a different thime then when I am in Ohio and nothing gets planted after I leave. I wish I could find a local supplier for them as I would snatch up every single one of them. Now for hybrids, I have probably 15. They range from the standard 'Casablanca' (I counted 18 flowers per stem last fall on plants that have a stem 2" in diameter), 'Stargazer' (I order some every spring and fall and put them in everywhere), and new this year are many from The Lily Garden - 'Copper Crown', 'China Express', 'Angela North', 'Reverie', 'White Buterflies', 'Allegretto', and from other sources 'Golden Stargazer', and 'Claude Shride'. I don't have a lot of shade areas just yet so some of the native woodland species will not be added to the garden for many years yet. I found out that my aunt likes the species (such as martagon-like). So I will be adding more over the years. I am looking for a nice peach or salmon colored lily that will fill these requirements- 1) Be under 4' (3' prefered) 2) peach or pale salmon 3) works well in a mixed bed 4) stand full sun with regular waterings (3x a week) 5) reproduce and flower well over the years w/o disappearing Anyone have thoughts? If I can't find a lily, it will be a rose bed instead. ;>)) Well, for not thinking I had much to say about lilies, this certainly became a long email, sorry. ===== John Ingram in mostly gloomy but warm, L.A., CA. Not much blooming right now, just a few Crinums, a sinningia or two, and some fabulous Pelergoniums. jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/floralartistry2000/