Clayton wrote > ...I still have to > conclude, if it doesn't have fragrance, > I usually will pass it by. > ... > Just curious if anyone else feels the same way? I feel this way about lots of groups of plants. I don't plant roses unless they have a very strong fragrance, and I don't mean the ones that smell like apple leaves. I've learned not to trust Armstrong's fragrance descriptions. When browsing bulb seed listings I start with genera and species listed as having strong fragrances. If I still like the genus after the first ones bloom I might get some non-fragrant ones later. Peonies just won't grow here in Phoenix, but I remember them from the Midwest. My former neighbor across the street went to law school with the proprietor of Cricket Hill Peonies (mostly tree peonies), who sent a large tree peony to my neighbor early one spring. It bloomed, which enticed me into buying a smaller tree peony that fall. Both lasted until about the next July, even though planted in spots with dappled shade and excellent drainage. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA