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Today's Topics:

1. re Hyacinthoides (jflintoff@aol.com)
2. Paeone (Iain Brodie of Falsyde)
3. Re: Fragrance/Peonies (Leo A. Martin)
4. Wiki Additions--Lachenalia (Mary Sue Ittner)
5. Re: Fragrance (James Waddick)
6. Re: re Hyacinthoides & T. sprengeri. (James Waddick)
7. Re: Beauty and Fragrance (giorgio pozzi)
8. Sulphate of Potash (pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:55:46 -0400
From: jflintoff@aol.com
Subject: [pbs] re Hyacinthoides
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?? My rummaging through old gardens in the Puget Sound area, especially
Tacoma and Seattle,Washington, has produced only one?finding?of what
appears to be pure Hyacinthoides hispanica and one of H. non-scripta.? All
the other plants appear to be various forms of the hybrid H x massartiana
( H. x variabilis? ).? There must be millions of them here locally.
???? Some of the trade material of H non-scripta that I've seen or grown
seems to be hybridized as well.?
?
???? Hycinthoides?? ' Rose Queen ' , ' Dainty Maid ' and ' Excelsior ' all
appear to be manifestations of H. x massartiana.

J. John Flintoff
Vashon Island,Washigton, USA
Zone 8

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:53:29 +0100
From: "Iain Brodie of Falsyde" <auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk>
Subject: [pbs] Paeone
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Its nice to see divergence from monocot bulbs from time to time especially
when it raises the subject of these beautiful Paeones.

I am rapidly bringing together a collection of botanical species here, the
hybrids and multibrids are a way too blousy for my tastes and anyway this
is a botanic garden after all so they would be seriously out of place
here. Our peonies are starting into flower just now and the first one to
kick off was P. mascula ssp. russoi [I saw somewhere that this is a
synonym for another but can't find the reference, is a large sharp clear
pink open cup which last year got clobbered by frost before finishing but
is now nearly over, its always first in and out. P. mairei is next up and
in full throttle right now with masses of darker shades of pink upward and
also out facing cups. Just literally beginning for the first time this
year is P mascula ssp. willmottiae now this has stunning white blooms, a
wee bit shy to open wide so far but as its the first year non too sure if
that's normal, but as white globes they stand out from a distance like
large tennis balls . P. tenuifolia seems to b
e ready to flower very soon, probably by the weekend and one of my clear
favourites partly because of the unique leaves. Others such as P.P.
peregrina, lutea, delavayi, potaninii, ludlowii, rockii, emodii,
lactiflora, obovata, etc, etc have still some way to go as they are barely
out of the ground so far. I await P. ostii each year with great pleasure
but it is also currently still well 'back'.

Generally plants of this stype I try to plant in groups of three or five
for each species and accession per species, always wild origin seed
originated..... the wait is worth it, and it helps ensure a minimum degree
of genetic diversity is maintained for the future. I do have P. clusii as
young plants but am ready for a disappointment, coming from Crete in the
Mediterranean I suspect I am too far north, too cold and too wet, this
taxon does not "do" damp maritime climates but I reckon nothing ventured
nothing gained. There is also a putative hybrid here between P.tenuifolia
and P. a.n.other which is due to flower too, it grew from the same batch
of seed as P. tenuifolia and has lovely mid pink flowers with a cut leaved
foliage mid way. A large batch of seed arrived this spring from China
allegedly sold as P. rockii with the caveat "open pollinated may contain
hybrids" We shall see, anyway a couple of hundred of the seed has been
sown with lots more in the fridge if anyone wan
ts a few to try, getting them officially into the USA / Canada might
require some ingenuity.

Iain

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:53:34 -0700 (MST)
From: "Leo A. Martin" <leo@possi.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Fragrance/Peonies
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Clayton wrote

I feel this way about lots of groups of plants. I don't plant roses unless
they have a very strong fragrance, and I don't mean the ones that smell
like apple leaves. I've learned not to trust Armstrong's fragrance
descriptions. When browsing bulb seed listings I start with genera and
species listed as having strong fragrances. If I still like the genus
after the first ones bloom I might get some non-fragrant ones later.

Peonies just won't grow here in Phoenix, but I remember them from the
Midwest. My former neighbor across the street went to law school with the
proprietor of Cricket Hill Peonies (mostly tree peonies), who sent a large
tree peony to my neighbor early one spring. It bloomed, which enticed me
into buying a smaller tree peony that fall. Both lasted until about the
next July, even though planted in spots with dappled shade and excellent
drainage.

Leo Martin
Phoenix Arizona USA

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:56:00 -0700
From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
Subject: [pbs] Wiki Additions--Lachenalia
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Hi,

I've been working on enlarging the Lachenalia pages on the wiki (split
them
up more and added three new ones so none would take too long to load) and
have added a lot of new pictures from a number of sources, both additional
species pictures and additional pictures of species already illustrated.
It
would take too long to note all the additions with links so I'll just give
you the link to the index page and the table and those people who are
interested in Lachenalia can check it out.
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
New species added : L. angelica, congesta, gillettii (from seed from a
reliable source, but not the color expected so could be something else I
suppose if any experts want to check), isopetala, longibracteata,
mediana,
namibiensis, salteri (in bud as it is just about to bloom), zeyheri

Also illustrated (we had text from Don Journet but no pictures) now are L.
arbuthnotiae, L. bolusii, L. fistulosa, L. framesii

We still have no pictures for described species L. algoensis and L.
schelpei so if anyone has pictures of these two species, we'd love to add
them to the wiki.

Other species already illustrated with just a picture or maybe two now
have
additional pictures.

Some unknown person uploaded a picture of L. zebrina very recently and
needs to edit the page and add the credits for it.

Mary Sue
Coastal Northern California where it's going to be unusually blazing hot
today and we have no air conditioning. It may finish off some of my bulbs
and open up some of the Calochortus. Having a drier than usual spring this
year has meant a good year for Watsonia coccinea (perhaps as I'm never
sure
why some years they come up and other years they do not). I'm very fond
of
this species which is a nice color and nice size and does not spread too
much and I hope it will hold on for another day or two.

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:39:11 -0500
From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Fragrance
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I guess I have to put in my 2 cents that I really don't care
if a plant has fragrant flowers or not. The form, color and quantity
of flowers is far more important and fragrance is a plus. I can
certainly enjoy coral peonies (including the just finished 'Coral
Fay' a real beauty with single hot coral flowers) and I don't find
their fragrance to carry much in any case.
Since I rarely cut any flowers, but prefer to enjoy them in
place on the plant and in the garden, again fragrance is a peripheral
plus.
Plants grown for fragrance have to have other qualities too
like Viburnum (esp carlesii) Daphne (various) and Lilacs all fragrant
enough to scent large areas of the garden without having to stuff my
nose into their centers. Each has excellent form, nice abundant
flowers and ease of care.

If a plant can carry its charms without fragrance, no
fragrance will win it over for me. And some plants with an abundant
'nasty' fragrance such as Dracunculus and other aroids, also doesn't
necessarily restrain my enthusiasm for their other qualities.
Right now the Peony 'Windflower' is charming me endlessly by
its small, anemone-like blooms on elegant cut foliage in light shade.
I stop every time I walk near it to admire its whole vision of
balance, proportion and dignified beauty. I don't have a clue if it
is even fragrant at all. Never sniffed it.

And allergies have stuffed my nose enough to make fragrance a
theory only. best Jim W.
--
Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
USA
Ph. 816-746-1949
Zone 5 Record low -23F
Summer 100F +

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:29:02 -0500
From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] re Hyacinthoides & T. sprengeri.
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Dear all,
Taking a closer look here, it does appear that ' Dainty Maid
' , an "alba" and ' Excelsior ' are manifestations of H. x
massartiana.
I also have at least a typical blue H. non-scripta and one
small clump of H hispanica, but the latter is not very hardy and does
not bloom much.

Of course none seed around here and are very well behaved in
this climate. It is nice to see these bulbs blooming late after most
of the spring bulb 'surge' (to borrow a term).

And speaking of late bulbs, flower buds are now forming on
the latest of al tulips T. sprengeri and I am wishing I had more. It
doesn't seem to seed around (either) and does not clump up. It does
mark the final show of tulip season.

--
Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
USA
Ph. 816-746-1949
Zone 5 Record low -23F
Summer 100F +

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:07:32 +0200
From: giorgio pozzi <studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Beauty and Fragrance
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Il giorno 15/mag/08, alle ore 16:39, James Waddick ha scritto:

I agree with James, due to my love for Arisaema which have no scent
even if someone writes
A.candidissimum has fine/light scent in first blooming, I tried to
capture that scent but couldn't
sniff anything.....
However, walking in the lawn fiftheen days ago near a flowerbed I
setted two years ago,
the scent of a rich clump of Narcissus Poeticus, (about 200 flowers),
that of yellow Azalaea Mollis and that of Wisteria sinensis alba,
were all around
and even without looking directly to the flowers I was able to "see"
them,
now all of them have whitered and only Convallaria majalis may spread
a pleasant scent there... waiting for Lilium....now about 60/70 cm.
tall .

Giorgio Pozzi
Travedona (VA)
Italy
zone 7/8

studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 03:07:36 -0400
From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [pbs] Sulphate of Potash
To: voltaire@islandnet.com
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From: Judy Glattstein <intothewoods@bellewood-gardens.com>
Date: May 14, 2008 11:58:45 AM PDT
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Sulphate of Potash

Just from curiosity I e-mailed John Harrison at Espoma, asking about
sulphate of potash. Here is his reply.

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Thank you for your mail.

Bulbs like all plants are best fed with a complete plant food rather
than a single ingredient. We produce a product called Bulb-tone that
will provide all major, minor, and trace nutrients required. A fact
sheet is attached.

Sulfate of potash (SOP) is a mined mineral with an analysis of 0-0-50.
It is generally considered an acceptable input for organic gardening and
agriculture. It is superior to the muriate because it is lower in salts
that can harm plants (particularly tender emerging roots of bulbs).
We no longer produce the SOP as a single ingredient. We do use the
material as a potassium source in our blended plant foods. We do have
the muriate, but plan to discontinue that as well.
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Judy, the ever-curious in New Jersey

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