Hi, I think this post got lost when we were trying to figure out why Nancy's messages were bouncing. I am forwarding it for those who I think would find it interesting. Mary Sue To All, We have had good germination results with Lilium humboldtii seed that has been frozen for eight years. We are going to keep experimenting with old lots of frozen seed we received from the Robinetts and verify germination rates. We have also found all the Calochortus sp. that we received and kept frozen have germinated quite well, including lots from as far back as 1989. NANCY GILBERT Grass Valley, California