Dear all: What an interesting thread. After all, improper fertilization is the second cause of bulb loss, after improper drainage. Truly regret not to have the time to mingle more often. Some comments Yes, the reason for proper cultivation of Dutch bulbs is the North Sea climate. It provides perfect conditions for ....those that can be grown in the North Sea climate. There are not many places where fields of tulips, hyacinths, Fritillaria imperialis, etc., could be seen like there. No amount of fertilizer would produce such crops if the range of temperatures were not adequate for growth. Yes, the Dutch bulb farm fields are former sand dunes added with peat in enormous amounts to provide some nutrient retention. They are leached very rapidly hence the apparently enormous quantities of fertilizer..Actually, this case is studied in plant nutrition as one in which quantities (kindly quoted by Jim) can be very misleading. If applied to normal soils they would burn roots and grow soft, juicy plants that would attract pests like beacons. In the Dutch bulb fields they are just enough. Yes, an "organic"" soil would contain very few pests that would devour each other to reach a peaceful balance. Unfortunately, this can be achieved in a small garden or plot by adding really substantial quantities of organic matter which in the Dutch bulb fields is unthinkable. The problem they have and that force them to sterilize the soil is nematodes that spread viruses while feeding and living on the bulbous plants roots. In the past strong chemicals were used to control the nematode population but now these are forbidden (the chemicals, not the nematodes!). Among them methyl bromide was easygoing but later found to have terrible effects on the ozone layer and banned. Dutch bulb producers are desperate with these problems and have come to find more environmentally friendly procedures (like flooding the bulb fields in summer when the bulbs have been lifted to interrupt the nematode life cycle). They know well how dangerous viruses are to their crops and in fact lots of Narcissus, Scilla, Brodiaea 'Konigin Fabiola', reticulata and Dutch irises, alliums, muscaris and a number of others can not be cleaned of their virus infection in any affordable way. A lot of research is being carried on along this but results are less than mild. The general consensus among them is not to worry so long as viruses do not affect the sales. Yes, the information provided first and that kicked the ball rolling concerning bulbs (winter growing ones, of course) being able to use nutrients in the Fall period between root emision and leaf emergence and that raised so many eyebrows originally came from the Dutch Bub Growers Association research laboratories, not a cookbook recipe as someone mentioned. Admittedly it sounded odd the first time I learn about it since it seems so obvious that "no leaf, no feed" but a number of experiments proved it right. Rodger's experience along with Mr. Zonneveld mention of a Fall fertilizer application point to it. Actually, it makes a lot of sense because many of these cold climate bulbs use the Fall rains to produce roots that remain alive and waiting for the snow melting (in the wild) to produce foliage and flowers all within a rather short time. It is logic that these roots would take any advantage to capture whatever nutrient is available even if "no leaf". As for info on potassium affecting the availability of magnesium, comparatively few bulbs will suffer from magnesium shortage, mainly those growing on dolomite: some bearded irises, Junos, Reticulatas, some tulips, Ungernias, etc. All the others are positively affected by potassium supply, including those from the four corners of the world and those that are poisoned by phosphorous like South Africans and Australians. As for the fact mentioned that bulb plants would not be able to absorb nutrients between the flower production and the beginning of dormancy, only few of them had their leaves gone by flowering time: Leucocorynes, Conantheras, Zephyra, Calochortus, Brodiaea, Pabellonia, etc. The rest have leaves then and are very active manufacturing food to fatten the bulb. On our behalf concerning our frequent errors in fertilizing our bulbs it must be pointed out that bulbs are pretty indifferent and do not apparently react properly to nutrients provided! I suggest you the use of indicator plants. These must no be monocots but rather frugal, not fussy and quite easy to grow dicots. My favorite for this climate is Lamium maculatum, you see, no exotic gem. Apply a weak solution (as weak as you want, even VERY weak) of a foliar formula fertilizer to your bulb plants and then to the indicator plant. You will not believe your eyes as the dicot will respond immediately to the extra nutrition by making new growth, even changing the appearance of the adult leaves. This change will last for a long period even one or two months. This will give you a proper idea of how much is too much. By diminishing the amount of fertilizer in the solution you will notice that effects are obtained even with doses that are very minute. Of course you can do it with any type of fertilizer but a foliar formula will give cleaner resutls as there will be no danger of the soil meddling and blocking some elements. Bob's naive question is not naive, he knows what he means. He is an experienced grower and a friend of the late Stan Farwig who had a fabulous collection in the Bay Area. Stan had made a number of experiments concerning complete formula fertilizers and found that they adversely affected his plants and stopped using them altogether. Yes, yes, improper fertilizing shortens a bulb life. Strangely (or not) there are very few bulbs native the very nutrient rich pampas of Argentina and Uruguay. And countless ones in the miserably poor soils of South Africa. African Violet fertilizers have high potassium formulae. Are they available in your area? All the best Alberto _________________________________________________________________ Visita MSN Latino Noticias: Todo lo que pasa en el mundo y en tu paín, ¡en tu idioma! http://latino.msn.com/noticias/