Well, I guess I was wrong about the state of my M. virginica. I was going to move ti to ful sun and realised there was already a flower spike forming. So, I am a happy camper. I'll try and take some photos this weekend of those that I have (3) and post them on the wiki if they are not already there. I did get the M. Mocha Mocha from Plant Delights last year. It survived, unintentionaly wrapped in a box completely dry in my uncle's garage in OH for 2 months. It has completely come back with little leaf loss and looks great right now. I love the mottled sepia tone of the leaves. It will work in gardens really well with other sepia, toffee, bronze colored foliage plants, i.e. Carex, Phormiums, etc. I look forward to seeing what the flowers look like. I will fertilizing my virginica to increase my stock. Mine was purchased on eBay from a woman on the East coast. I no longer have her name (without extensive digging in paperwork) but there were not any listed on eBay last week when I looked. Maybe we need to start selling more of them. Hey, Joe, how many do you have? John Ingram in L.A., CA. http://www.floralarchitecture.com/ check it out Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com 310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you)