Dear Jim W., Wow, you've raised some interesting questions. I tried to dodge whether to count it in the calendar year or growing season by the following statement: "For the sake of this discussion let us focus on those plants that break dormancy with flowers first followed by leaves later." If there is no sign of the plant (no flowers, no live leaves, nothing as in Amaryllis belladonna and Gladiolus carminius) and then a flower appears before the leaves then we count it. So where does that put Lycoris? I always think of the growing season beginning following dormancy, but I realize with your statement that not everyone would agree and I'm not sure how I ended up thinking that way. It is probably just what made sense to me. It makes my yearly database very strange as I am actually starting in the fall since I mostly grow winter rainfall plants. As some of the posts already indicate there may be a fine line between plants in A and B as some produce flowers and very quickly the leaves follow. If we want to change the topic to plants that produce flowers and foliage at different times that is fine with me too. It would be a good idea to decide soon however for the sake of the discussion. Mary Sue