I did my first Crinum crosses this year. Jim S, you spurred me into it, it's your fault! I crossed my asiaticum procerum (seed parent, which split into 2 pieces this year) with pedunculatum (my favorite crinum for the leaf structure and evergreeness of it. It always looks perfect year round, yeah). I think I got maybe 5 to 7 seeds. With the open house this last weekend I was a little frazzeled and counting the seeds wasn't a priority. I hope they will still be there in 2 weeks when I return. By that time they could have fallen into a neighboring pot and sprouted already. I am very excited to see the variability of purple leaves. I am hoping to get some winter hardiness out of the purples. They always look a little ratty over winter unlike the pedunculatum (is it -ultaum or -ulata? I always get confused). And I also selfed the pedunculatum since it doesn't look like it has any pups on the way in the near future. Well, those are my stories. ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. 310.709.1613 jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/floralartistry2000/