Hi , I had some experience growing Worsleya procura in Central Scotland . In 1982 , or thereabouts , Thompson and Morgan had a dramatic photo ( Mount Roraima, I think ) some intriguing “ lost world “ story and a listing for “ Blue Amaryllis “ seeds in their catalogue . They were very expensive £5. 99 or so for 3 seeds . I bought them , sowed them in some John Innes seed compost with extra grit and they germinated . One didn’t last a year , the other two were fine . They were potted on into John Innes no1 with added grit and crushed charcoal. The second winter killed another one however so I was left with one . In year 4 I moved house and the plant moved into my father in law’s greenhouse. The bulb was about 11/2 “ in diameter with a “ neck of about 8” and 2 foot long sickle shaped leaves . I thought it would flower the following year . I never saw flowers , the plant was stolen from the greenhouse . I’ve looked since but never heard of it again till I saw it in “ Himalayan Gardens “ site at over £200 a bulb . It’s grown on for them in India apparently . I’ve never seen seeds offered again . So , I used John Innes I.E. loam based compost with a bit more drainage and apart from some night when the forecast was -2 c or lower it was in a cold greenhouse with only a small frost protective parrafin heater. The kind you used to put under a cars sump . I think they may be tougher than you expect . E Meaney Sent from my iPad > On 15 Jul 2020, at 13:00, pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net wrote: > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Worsleya procura (XYZ2 in Virginia) > 2. Re: Worsleya procura (Jose) > 3. Re: raccoons (Jane McGary) > 4. Re: Worsleya procura (Mark Mazer) > 5. For your information (Robin Hansen) > 6. Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura (Jane McGary) > 7. Re: raccoons (Jim McKenney) > 8. Re: raccoons (Jim McKenney) > 9. Re: Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura (XYZ2 in Virginia) > 10. Re: Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura (Paul Machado) > 11. Re: Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura (David Pilling) > 12. Re: Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura (Jose) > 13. Re: Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > (SHOAL CREEK SUCCULENTS) > 14. Re: Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura (XYZ2 in Virginia) > 15. Re: Worsleya procera (XYZ2 in Virginia) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:20:28 -0400 > From: "XYZ2 in Virginia" <867ykcor@cox.net> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: [pbs] Worsleya procura > Message-ID: <001c01d659e9$edec59b0$c9c50d10$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Topic: Worsleya procura > > > > Worsleya procura is a beautiful plant in the Amaryllidaceae family from > Brazil. It has striking, large lavender to bluish flowers. The PBS wiki > mentions that it is very exacting in its cultural requirements. It appeared > to me that the entries in the PBS wiki about this plant were written in the > early 2000s. So, I thought I'd post to the PBS list to enquire about this > plant and to ask members to comment on their recent experiences growing it, > both positive and negative. I think I would like to attempt to grow this > plant at some point in time. I would appreciate hearing your advice and > suggestions about cultivation and sourcing seeds or small plants. I assume > that this is a very expensive plant. > > > > A final note... I read with interest the article by Dr. Paul Resslar who > successfully grew plants from seeds in pure pumice at Wesleyan University in > Norfolk, Virginia. The article can be accessed from the PBS wiki and dates > from about July 2006. I live in Williamsburg, Virginia, the same climate > zone as in Norfolk, and I would be able to replicate the methods and > growing conditions described by Dr. Resslar if I am ever able to obtain a > few seeds. > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > > Bern > > > > Zone 7b, very hot and humid today > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:51:19 -0400 > From: "Jose" <arlen.jose@verizon.net> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procura > Message-ID: <032201d659ff$0042aaf0$00c800d0$@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Worsleya procura is a beautiful plant in the Amaryllidaceae family from > Brazil. It has striking, large lavender to bluish flowers. The PBS wiki > mentions that it is very exacting in its cultural requirements. It appeared > to me that the entries in the PBS wiki about this plant were written in the > early 2000s. So, I thought I'd post to the PBS list to enquire about this > plant and to ask members to comment on their recent experiences growing it, > both positive and negative. I think I would like to attempt to grow this > plant at some point in time. I would appreciate hearing your advice and > suggestions about cultivation and sourcing seeds or small plants. I assume > that this is a very expensive plant. > > > > A final note... I read with interest the article by Dr. Paul Resslar who > successfully grew plants from seeds in pure pumice at Wesleyan University in > Norfolk, Virginia. The article can be accessed from the PBS wiki and dates > from about July 2006. I live in Williamsburg, Virginia, the same climate > zone as in Norfolk, and I would be able to replicate the methods and > growing conditions described by Dr. Resslar if I am ever able to obtain a > few seeds. > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > > Bern > > > > Zone 7b, very hot and humid today > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. > Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:33:41 -0700 > From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] raccoons > Message-ID: <16a5249f-4688-c612-7d98-b0e9af6a0e4c@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Thanks to Lee Poulsen for the ultimate raccoon solution. How lucky > gardeners are that some of us are engineers! > > I haven't followed this thread much, but I thought I would note that > certain kinds of organic fertilizers attract carnivorous or omnivorous > animals. Bone meal and fish fertilizer are particularly likely to get > them digging -- and perhaps knocking over pots. > > Now that I have no dog, I don't always close the gates into my back > yard, but losing some lily buds to deer have warned me to do so. Deer > ate all the flowering stems off the camas in the front garden this > spring. The gates keep out the raccoons too, I think. The only faunal > problem lately was hummingbirds flying into the bulb house while I had > the door open, and not being smart enough to fly back out through the > door. I have had to lure them out by hanging a tempting flower stalk > just outside the door. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:21:33 -0400 > From: Mark Mazer <markemazer@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procura > Message-ID: > <CAAvPRWu_B7eM_2MJBr18pSjzm0Q1n7_WrUV7y_3C6wTB+PRKHA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > See: > http://tropicalworldusa.com/Worsleya-procera-Rare-… > > Mark Mazer > Hertford, NC > > >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:51 PM Jose via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Worsleya procura is a beautiful plant in the Amaryllidaceae family from >> Brazil. It has striking, large lavender to bluish flowers. The PBS wiki >> mentions that it is very exacting in its cultural requirements. It >> appeared >> to me that the entries in the PBS wiki about this plant were written in the >> early 2000s. So, I thought I'd post to the PBS list to enquire about this >> plant and to ask members to comment on their recent experiences growing it, >> both positive and negative. I think I would like to attempt to grow this >> plant at some point in time. I would appreciate hearing your advice and >> suggestions about cultivation and sourcing seeds or small plants. I assume >> that this is a very expensive plant. >> >> >> >> A final note... I read with interest the article by Dr. Paul Resslar who >> successfully grew plants from seeds in pure pumice at Wesleyan University >> in >> Norfolk, Virginia. The article can be accessed from the PBS wiki and dates >> from about July 2006. I live in Williamsburg, Virginia, the same climate >> zone as in Norfolk, and I would be able to replicate the methods and >> growing conditions described by Dr. Resslar if I am ever able to obtain a >> few seeds. >> >> >> >> Thank you for your help. >> >> >> >> Bern >> >> >> >> Zone 7b, very hot and humid today >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> >> >> Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. >> Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:28:11 -0700 > From: "Robin Hansen" <robin@hansennursery.com> > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: [pbs] For your information > Message-ID: <002c01d65a04$264d7db0$72e87910$@hansennursery.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good Morning, PBS Folks, > > > > I must apologize for my lack of or tardy responses to emails you have sent > directly to me. I've been dealing with anemia, which leaves me with so > little energy, I'm managing to water and not much else. However, things are > improving, but I hope you'll have a bit more patience as I try to catch up. > > > > Please don't hesitate to call me at 541-297-3793 if you feel in need of an > immediate answer. Just remember I'm on Pacific Time, so no 3 a.m. calls, > please. > > > > I am slowly working on the next journal edition, so I hope to have that out > in the next month. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Robin Hansen > > President, PBS > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:45:42 -0700 > From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > Message-ID: <abfa14d3-edd0-bdeb-2557-2ae535d14f12@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Please use the corrected spelling shown in this subject line, so that > this discussion can be searched for in the PBS archive. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:09:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] raccoons > Message-ID: <2097834814.1113738.1594750176466@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > I no longer bury crushed egg shellin the media I use for potted plants: it's a sure raccoon magnet aroundhere.?And local gardeners on another list assure me it?s a waste of timeif the intention is to raise the calcium level in the soil. > > Last night while reading Lee's post(my computer is just outside the kitchen, the kitchen opens out to a deck) Icould hear some noises in the kitchen over near the door. I got up quietly,enough to get a view of that end of the room, and there was a young raccoon inthe kitchen giving me the "what time will dinner be served tonight?"look. Of course, I was ensorcelled and checked the fridge for left overs.? > Mom brought the young ones up lastweek and they got into everything. Something, one of them almost certainly, bitthe pseudostem of my Worsleya off leaving a four inch stub sticking out of theground. I'm trying to decide if that is a capital crime.?Maybe it waspayback for the raccoon hat I had as a kid: the things we used to do. > Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where I'm not proud of my Davy Crockett days.?? > ? > > > On Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 01:16:34 PM EDT, Jane McGary via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > Thanks to Lee Poulsen for the ultimate raccoon solution. How lucky > gardeners are that some of us are engineers! > > I haven't followed this thread much, but I thought I would note that > certain kinds of organic fertilizers attract carnivorous or omnivorous > animals. Bone meal and fish fertilizer are particularly likely to get > them digging -- and perhaps knocking over pots. > > Now that I have no dog, I don't always close the gates into my back > yard, but losing some lily buds to deer have warned me to do so. Deer > ate all the flowering stems off the camas in the front garden this > spring. The gates keep out the raccoons too, I think. The only faunal > problem lately was hummingbirds flying into the bulb house while I had > the door open, and not being smart enough to fly back out through the > door. I have had to lure them out by hanging a tempting flower stalk > just outside the door. > > Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > To: Jim McKenney via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] raccoons > Message-ID: <564613010.1109195.1594750471640@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Oops! Sorry for not trimming.?Jim MKenney > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:00:14 -0400 > From: "XYZ2 in Virginia" <867ykcor@cox.net> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > Message-ID: <007401d65a32$8a404220$9ec0c660$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hey Nick, > > Thanks for your considered reply to my questions about Worsleya procera, > formerly W. procura. (It's W. procura in the PBS wiki.) But, I'm happy to > find out from Jane that the species name has been updated. > > One more question....... What kind of container do you have your plant > potted in? Is it in an orchid box, net pot, clay pot, plastic pot, other? > > And thanks for mentioning Permatill. I had never heard of this amendment > before and I'm going to give it a try. I usually purchase pumice on eBay, > but I can probably source Permatill locally. > > Thanks again for your help. I appreciate it. > > Regards, > > Bern > > Williamsburg, VA Zone 7B > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:20:22 -0700 > From: Paul Machado <farmerguys08@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > Message-ID: > <CAG8=qqxAC9JcZV6=qPrwOGqZrXJg--2u4=4NJ7C1YALLFX5Tnw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hey all, Has anyone else tried using turface? > I use it in my mixes for Worsleya and Nepenthes and it works great! > It is clay based and used mainly for baseball and track and field fields. > Here is a link to the product I use, MVP, > as it lets me know when the mix is starting to dry out and time to water! > https://turface.com/products/infield-conditioners/… > All the best, > Paul > Stevinson, CA > where it is 95 today! > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 4:00 PM XYZ2 in Virginia via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> Hey Nick, >> >> Thanks for your considered reply to my questions about Worsleya procera, >> formerly W. procura. (It's W. procura in the PBS wiki.) But, I'm happy to >> find out from Jane that the species name has been updated. >> >> One more question....... What kind of container do you have your plant >> potted in? Is it in an orchid box, net pot, clay pot, plastic pot, >> other? >> >> And thanks for mentioning Permatill. I had never heard of this amendment >> before and I'm going to give it a try. I usually purchase pumice on eBay, >> but I can probably source Permatill locally. >> >> Thanks again for your help. I appreciate it. >> >> Regards, >> >> Bern >> >> Williamsburg, VA Zone 7B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:31:52 +0100 > From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > Message-ID: <a441c522-8450-79f0-f9c0-f0c1e922d1af@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi Bern > >> On 15/07/2020 00:00, XYZ2 in Virginia via pbs wrote: >> Thanks for your considered reply to my questions about Worsleya procera, >> formerly W. procura. (It's W. procura in the PBS wiki.) > > Oh no it is not (procura in the wiki). Google can't find any use of W. > "procura". > > > It will do shortly, we're pushing the boundaries of name space here. > > > > -- > David Pilling > http://www.davidpilling.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:59:15 -0400 > From: "Jose" <arlen.jose@verizon.net> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > Message-ID: <036201d65a3a$c872fb70$5958f250$@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hey Bern, > > I have been growing mine from seed that I got from a friend on another list > and I live in the Boston area where the summer is hot, humid, cool, dry and > rainy (take your pick). I have been growing mine in almost pure pumice with > just a little organic material mixed in. So far, it seems to be growing > quite well but still a few years away from flowering. I keep mine in partial > shade under my grape vine along with a pamianthe that is growing in a very > similar mix. In the fall, of course they all go inside and spend the winter > in my southern exposed, heated and enclosed porch along with my many other > hippeastrum and orchids and a bunch of other stuff. I hope this info helps a > bit. Oh, and in the summer I do fertilize them on a regular schedule with > 20-20-20 about every two weeks or so and plenty of watering in between to > flush out any salt build up. > > Regards, > Fred > > > > Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. > Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:00:31 -0500 > From: SHOAL CREEK SUCCULENTS <scsnursery1@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > Message-ID: > <CA+38oKJZc2P9WQuiO+W_9MdneY0Vpy13B5BWo-2iLnzRE1UsUw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hey all, Has anyone else tried using turface? > > I use a lot of it. It's 1/3 of my cactus and succulent mix. I use it as > the substrate for my vivariums. I also germinate 95% of all seeds I grow, > including Lithops in it. > > For my bulb mix, I use the above, and add coarse sand. > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 6:20 PM Paul Machado via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > >> Hey all, Has anyone else tried using turface? >> I use it in my mixes for Worsleya and Nepenthes and it works great! >> It is clay based and used mainly for baseball and track and field fields. >> Here is a link to the product I use, MVP, >> as it lets me know when the mix is starting to dry out and time to water! >> https://turface.com/products/infield-conditioners/… >> All the best, >> Paul >> Stevinson, CA >> where it is 95 today! >> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 4:00 PM XYZ2 in Virginia via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> >>> Hey Nick, >>> >>> Thanks for your considered reply to my questions about Worsleya procera, >>> formerly W. procura. (It's W. procura in the PBS wiki.) But, I'm happy >> to >>> find out from Jane that the species name has been updated. >>> >>> One more question....... What kind of container do you have your plant >>> potted in? Is it in an orchid box, net pot, clay pot, plastic pot, >>> other? >>> >>> And thanks for mentioning Permatill. I had never heard of this amendment >>> before and I'm going to give it a try. I usually purchase pumice on >> eBay, >>> but I can probably source Permatill locally. >>> >>> Thanks again for your help. I appreciate it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Bern >>> >>> Williamsburg, VA Zone 7B >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >>> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 20:34:42 -0400 > From: "XYZ2 in Virginia" <867ykcor@cox.net> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > Message-ID: <007d01d65a3f$bc6e8f10$354bad30$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hey Paul, > > What else besides turface MVP do you use in your potting mix for Worsleya? > Also, what kind of container do you use to plant them in? Will you provide > a bit of detail on your watering and fertilizing regimen, and any other > cultural and care requirements that you find successful? > > Thanks, > > Bern > Zone 7b Williamsburg, VA > > >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 6:20 PM Paul Machado via pbs < >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: >> Hey all, Has anyone else tried using turface? >> I use it in my mixes for Worsleya and Nepenthes and it works great! >> It is clay based and used mainly for baseball and track and field fields. >> https://turface.com/products/infield-conditioners/… >> All the best, >> Paul > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 20:41:40 -0400 > From: "XYZ2 in Virginia" <867ykcor@cox.net> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera > Message-ID: <008001d65a40$b59b9f10$20d2dd30$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi David, > > I rechecked the wiki and Dr. Google and found out that you are correct. I > do not know how procura became stuck in my mind. Thank you for setting me > straight. I appreciate it. > > Thanks again, > > Bern > > -----Original Message----- > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > David Pilling via pbs > Subject: Re: [pbs] Worsleya procera, was Worsleya procura > > Hi Bern > Oh no it is not (procura in the wiki). Google can't find any use of W. > "procura". > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 41, Issue 16 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…