Dylan: I won't start a diatribe on plant keys, but last week, we were keying out a calylophus from Texas. Using three different floras from Texas, we were sent to three different species. All three keys were completely contradictory on a genus as small as calylophus. Surely, we can turn out better taxonomists than that! Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com/ phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Hannon Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 4:50 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Locality data Tony, 100% agreed on the way things are trending in academia. What I lament most in modern botany is that a large proportion of botanists is dismissive of the importance of producing useful products: keys that work, floras, revisions, monographs, information (books) available outside the arcane journals. The "internet age" has done very little to break the barriers between amateurs and the more scientific information they seek. The emphasis (read: funding) today is almost exclusively on theoretical modeling (cladograms), molecular level studies, etc. These scientists seem absorbed primarily in process and method rather than output, which they may see as static or instantly archaic. So understanding is increased in some areas but the audience that benefits by that understanding shrinks because of the evermore technical nature of the output and its venue. I would liken your Phlox flunkie to those who say that the organism is irrelevant-- its molecular history and variation are what matter, whether it be fish or fowl. "Let's sequence it before we form our views". Does that not show a similar ignorance and contempt for living things? Dylan