Dylan: I think many of us are bemoaning the fact that field taxonomy is a becoming lost skill. I've lost track of how many times I've shown a growing specimen to a taxonomist/botanist and had the effective reply of; kill it and smash it...then we'll tell you what it was. A few years ago, I participated in a native plant inventory field count in a wild area near us. I figured I'd take a flowering phlox that I'd found years earlier from the Virginia shale barrens in hopes of getting a confirmed id. The phlox was passed around through then hands of 30 different expert botanists including botany professors. After it had a thorough examination by each, the group leader declared that is was most certainly in the Polemoniaceae family, but after making a herbarium specimen, he might be able to tell me more. You just can't make this stuff up. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com/ phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent