P.illiricum is not growing near the sea and is more free-flowering as P. maritimum and does not neat the salty air. from seeds it takes normally 6/7 years p.maritimum need salted air to produce flowers or a few times a year some spray of salt water like Narcissus serotinus and other plants near the sea I am sure the 21 bulbs are an other plant because they don't fit in a 5 gallon pot the bulbs are simply to large or you bought planting size bulbs not flowering size Roland bulborum@gmail.com 2010/3/9 Adam Fikso <adam14113@ameritech.net> > OK, Jim. "Close" for me and for you are different animals, I was using the > word quite loosely. I agree with you, having read the abstract of Alan > Meerow. It's closer than canna, or iris, though. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net> > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pancratium maritimum > > > Hi Adam and all, > > Adam, I hate to burst your bubble, but Pancratium and Hymenocallis are not > particularly closely related. > > Hymenocallis is in the American Clade of Amaryllidaceae, related more > closely to Hippeastrum, Ismene, and Griffinia than to Pancratium. > > Pancratium is in the Eurasian Clade, most closely related (by DNA) to > Sternbergia and more closely related to Narcissus, Lycoris, and Galanthus > than to any American amaryllid. > > Be prepared to use in vitro embryo rescue to grow any seeds resulting from > crossing Hymenocallis and Pancratium. Or at least don't say I didn't warn > you! > > A DNA Phylogenetic Tree is on my web site at > http://shieldsgardens.com/amaryllids/… > adapted from Alan Meerow's 1999 paper. > > Best regards, > Jim Shields > > > At 05:15 PM 3/8/2010 -0600, you wrote: > >Pancratium and Hymenocallis are closely allied even though they are very > >different in terms of growing requirements and tolerances. It's what > >fascinates me about the prospect of a hybrid between P. maritimum and H. > >occidentalis which (the latter) I gow here in my 5a gardenn with basically > >minimal protection. Has tolerated 2 years of a dip to - 5° (2 nights > each > >year.) > > ************************************************* > Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. > P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ > Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA > Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >