On 16 Sep 2004 at 11:39, Lee Poulsen wrote: > ...an interesting journal article that > just appeared showing that it is as yet unknown and unproven whether > invasive species actually cause the extinction of native species. Scientists who use technically true information to make clearly false conclusions are in high demand. Those willing to ignore the obvious for $ get hired by corporations and corrupt government agencies (with names like Environmental Protection Agency) to help avoid the truths we do not want to believe. I believe DDT, lead, Agent Orange, asbestos, tobacco,... all have/had their scientist-champions. The idea that we should understand the science of the connection between extinction and invasive exotics is sound. Much in the article is good and true. The problem comes if this reasoning is used to take that usual next step to say something like "we should not limit our activities until the connection is proven to a scientific certainty first". As I see it, we ought to lean more in the opposite direction (protecting the web of life until we prove the safety of the potentially harmful activity - to a Scientific certainty). Either approach can be taken too far. I'm a seed-list-oholic. I experiment with things I have never heard of. I don't want the government taking away my freedom to sow. I am, however, nervous I will (or already have) let loose a plague upon my bioregion. In my climate things grow so well/quickly it is easier to see how an exotic can take over. A patch of Ivy, for instance, will mow down a square mile of 200 foot tall forest in a human lifetime. The Ivy might get replaced by natives in some future succession, I don't see that as likely. If business and quarterly profits control this sort of decisionmaking, it appears to me, we will destroy the web our descendants need to survive. It would not be hard to find a scientist who could appear to use the scientific method to prove me wrong. What scares me the most, is that many in business and science actually believe their false conclusions. Sorry to rant on so. The political season full of people believing clearly false promises gets me all riled up. KellyO