On 19 Sep 04 at 7:41, Judy Glattstein wrote: > Marco Polo Stuffano used to describe this color as "old lady's > underdraws." (? spelling) You have to be of a certain age, with a > grandmother who wore these cotton panties with legs. Think of closer > fitting knit boxer shorts, with a ribbed pattern, in a sort of > bluish flesh pink. That particular color is "isabelline", so called after Queen Isabella of Ferdinand and Isabella fame. She swore a vow not to change her body linen until the Moors were driven from Spain, and that's the resultant color of her undies. I call it "old lady underwear pink". Lilium x testaceum is sometimes described as "isabelline". Mauve is pale purple: it is to purple as pink is to red. And since you are all wondering, puce is not vomit green or muddy brown or anything gross like that. It's the French for "flea", and means the color of a flea: purplish brown or brownish purple. Notice, btw, we define these secondary color terms by reference to more fundamental colors, in this case pink, violet/purple, purple or brown. IIRC, English has the following basic color names: red, blue, green, yellow, orange, purple, black, white, gray, brown, pink. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island