Dear Members Diana wrote: >I have been using the styrofoam boxes that grapes are packed in for some >things. In western Oregon, commercial lily growers use milk cartons--the plastic, square containers that hold four, one gallon milk jugs. They start seed or small bulblets in the containers on greenhouse benches, then in spring take them outside and sit them directly on the ground. I've seen rows two containers wide and a quarter mile long, just sitting along the edge of a field of lilies. At the end of the growing season it is easy to tip the contents out, sort the bulbs out, and reuse the containers. Presume they are sterilized, but have never asked. I've never asked about the details, but presume they use peat or peat and perlite. When I pot something with an open bottom, a layer or two of newspaper seems to last long enough that the potting medium consolidates and doesn't fall out. When planted out, the paper can simply be planted with the media. Incidentally, it is often suggested that lilies be simply planted out in blocks (ie, just tipped out of the pot without disturbing the potting mix). Under my conditions, the seedlings invariably rot--presumably because the mix doesn't drain well enough in the garden. Putting "drainage" in a pot is a mistake--a "perched" water table is formed where the soil (or media) texture changes. It isn't always obvious, but it is enough to support a population of pathogenic fungi, and to stop oxygen exchange. A potting mix which is uniform top to bottom is a better choice. Drainage under the pot is a better choice. Ken