Mary Sue wrote, >This fall a woman wrote with a Crocus identification question. ... She was especially unhappy >because she said most web sites including our wiki did not mention if the leaves came up >before, after, or with the leaves and when the plants bloomed. Here is a list of fall-blooming species, derived from Mathew's "The Crocus" . Some of these species (C. autranii, C. gilanicus, C. hyemalis, C. veneris) are extremely rare in cultivation (i.e., yr. faithful correspondent does not possess them, which is what "rare in cultivation" usually implies; unless the writer is really narcissistic and writes "not in cultivation"). C. autranii: leaves emerge long after flowering C. asumaniae: leaves barely visible at flowering C. banaticus: leaves emerge long after flowering C. biflorus ssp melantherus: leaves slightly visible at flowering C. cancellatus: leaves not or barely emerged at flowering C., cartwrightianus: leaves well developed at flowering C. gilanicus: leaves emerge long after flowering C. goulimyi: leaves partly emerged at flowering C. hadriaticus: leaves barely to well developed at flowering C. hermoneus: leaves not to barely visible at flowering C. hyemalis: leaves well emerged at flowering C. karduchorum: leaves emerge long after flowering C. kotschyanus: leaves not visible at flowering C. laevigatus: leaves slightly to well developed at flowering C. longiflorus: leaves partly emerged at flowering C. mathewii: leaves well emerged at flowering C, medius: Leaves emerge long after flowering C. moabiticus: leaves barely visible at flowering but developing soon after C. niveus: leaves slightly visible at flowering C. nudiflorus: leaves emerge long after flowering C. ochroleucus: leaves slightly emerged at flowering C. oreocreticus: leaves slightly emerged at flowering, soon developing C. pallasii: leaves barely to well emerged at flowering C. pulchellus: leaves emerge long after flowering C. sativus: leaves well developed at flowering C. scharojanii: leaves emerge long after flowering but often persist until flowering C. serotinus: leaves not visible to equalling flower, depending on subspecies and population C. speciosus: leaves emerge long after flowering C. thomasii: leaves well emerged at flowering C. tournefortii: leaves well developed at flowering C. vallicola: leaves emerge long after flowering C. veneris: leaves slightly to well emerged at flowering Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA