Dear John, Dell and All, I too had good luck with the H. cybister seeds. There are now seven good looking germinations under lights. John, don't you just love a bargain. My usual germination technique is modified float. I put the seeds on potting mix, cover slightly with coast sand and set pot in tray of water. This methodology saves pricking out the seedlings and risking failure. Kind regards, Joyce Miller Joyce E. Miller mailto:onager@midtown.net Zone USDA 9A Summer highs 100+degrees F for several to many days. Winter lows 27 degrees F