Hi All and especially Jane, I was wondering whether we needed to put the references on the wiki pages in the same way. Usually bibliographies start with the author, but listing them that way in a sentence seems awkward. I think the Color Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs will be an excellent resource for so many of the Cape Bulbs. But if I add it as Manning, John, Peter Goldblatt and Dee Snijman, The Color Encyclopedia of Cape Bulbs (Portland, Timber Press, 2002)and a description it just doesn't seem to read very well. I started thinking what a pain it would be to have to enter that information for all the South African genera we already have wiki pages for. Then it occurred to me that we could use the wiki for Jane's project. It wouldn't be nearly as sophisticated as what she planned, but perhaps it would be a start. On the main wiki page we could create a bibliography of reference books. Then on the genus pages we could link to the bibliography using a code for whatever book we are referencing. We'd have to come up with a shorthand for each book so people could quickly find it if they wished to know all the details. I suppose we could use a numbering system, but then the books wouldn't be alphabetical. So I'd suggest author and date as Jane initially proposed as a possibility and hope that some of the more prolific writers haven't published a lot in the same year, at least not major works like we would be adding. How I would envision this would be adding a sentence for the reference to each genus page it applied to. So in using my example above, I could paste the sentence below on all the appropriate genera for the Cape: References on the Cape Floral province species can be found in Manning et. al. (2002). I'd enter the author and date like this: [Manning et.al. (2002) | url for wiki references page] That would link the specific reference to the wiki page where the full details could be found. Obviously not everyone would be able to figure out how to do this, but if Jane would volunteer to help those people who had information, but didn't want to add it, since this was her original idea, I think it might work. In the long run it would save time and make the wiki pages easier to read for most of the people who won't care about references, but still would give them for those who did care. And since the question of books always comes up with people who are new to the subject we'd be creating a general list at the same time. What does everyone think of this idea? Mary Sue PBS List Administrator, Wiki Worker, TOW Coordinator (Whew!)