Indeed most of the Allim Hybrids are sterile. That are crossings with Allium macrleanii and christophii( Globemaster) and aflatunense with mecleanii ( Lucy Ball and Gladiator) I think for a successfull crossing with this type, you have toe cross between Allium Purpel Sensation, Allium Aflatunense, Allium mecleanii and Allium cristophii (same as Allim albopilosum) and Allium Karataviense. These Allium you can cross wiht each other. To Mark I will say that i like his Allium flavum types very much. I never saw such coulourfull types of Allium flavum before. I missed the article in IBS Bulbs. can you send it me? Jan van den Berg Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:58:11 EST From: Antennaria@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium hybrids To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <1d8.1448e902.2ce45b53@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "Jamie" jamievande@freenet.de wrote: >Although I've tried with the few "ball" type >Alliums, such as A. giganteum, A. jesdianum, >A. christoffii, A. schubertii and their possible >hybrids (Lucille Ball, Globemaster, hollandicum, >etc), I've never managed to set seed through >intrageneric pollination. I've found all the named >cultivars I have to be sterile. Of course, this is >a limited group! >I remember a wonderful article in the IBS BULBS >on A. flavum cultivars. That was my article entitled "The rainbow color genesis of Allium flavum ssp. tauricum" that appeared in IBS BULBS earlier this year. >Is anyone working with Allium? I have selected a good number of Allium hybrids, mostly of the rhizomatous types. I have also been selecting color forms of Allium flavum ssp. tauricum for quite a while, resulting in the huge color range which was the subject of my aforementioned article. While the "big ball" type of allium (section Melanocrommyum) are interesting and showy, they are actually not as useful in the garden as those species that grow all season long with handsome foliage clumps, such as the Rhizirideum section of the genus (those with bulbs attached to rhizomes). There is tremendous untapped potential in developing superior hybrids of summer/fall growing alliums. I have previously posted a number of Allium hybrid pictures to the PBS wiki. Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.plantbuzz.com/ << alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western american alpines, iris, plants of all types! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:03:37 -0800 From: "Michael Mace" <mikemace@worldnet.att.net> Subject: [pbs] Re: Too many Amaryllis photos To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <000c01c3a9a3$80531dc0$8c0b510c@d1fqn01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John I. asked: >Are you doing any crosses with them back onto Brunsvigia spp.? These are what I would be interested in seeing more >and more of. I'd make the crosses if I had any blooming-size Brunsvigias. Unfortunately, I can't afford to send 85 pounds plus postage to Paul Christian to get some ;-) So I'll have to wait another 10 years for the seedlings I'm growing. In the meantime, my Brunsvigia crossing experience has been limited to making a bunch of crosses with some B. josephinae pollen sent me last year. Several of those crosses produced intriguing little white seeds that were already sprouting in the pod. I'm told that's a very good sign. We'll see what happens. If anyone wants to trade pollen of amaryllids, let me know privately. I have also been trying some crosses with various Nerine sarniensis cultivars. Very little success so far, although I may have achieved a few using the Nerine as the seed parent. Won't know until they bloom. What I'm trying for is something that combines the red of N. sarniensis with the size and durability of Amaryllis. Mike San Jose, CA (zone 9, min temp 20F) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:51:05 -0800 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Oxalis--TOW To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20031112215636.00b4ec50@mail.mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear All, I am enjoying all the participation in the topic of the week and appreciate Robin's moderating as well. One of the things that frustrates me about this genus is all the host of names that people mention. I always want to know where that plant comes from, what kind of soils is it found in, when does it get rainfall in nature, and when does it bloom. I remembered that earlier on the Oxalis group that David Victor told about a checklist to solve that problem. "The author is Richard Clifton, who is the Editor for the Geraniaceae Group. The checklist was produced three years ago and was based on a review of the Index Kewensis, Salter's monograph of South African Oxalis and various flora. It covers the naming of virtually all species of Oxalis and their authorities and limited descriptive material. There is also a wide critique of O. corniculata. The checklist can be obtained from Richard's home address which is 7 Crabble Road, Dover, Kent, England, CT17 0QD. He is not on e-mail. The checklist cost 15 UK pounds. Post and packing is in addition and will cost two pounds for surface mail and more for air mail. Richard cannot accept credit cards. Cheques are a problem because of exchange costs, unless purchased locally and drawn on a correspondent UK bank. Probably cash is best. " Andrew Broome found this resource as a way to obtain it: http://nhbs.com/xbscripts/bkfsrch/… Does this checklist tell where each of the species is from or time of bloom? I've looked at the Kew list before when I have been puzzled about a name and often all that was listed was the name of the plant and the authority and I am afraid I wanted more information than that. For instance I was curious about the origin of the plant that Lauw and Uli were talking about. It isn't in any of my references but I found in one of my saved references that Oxalis crassipes was a plant from Argentina that had become popular in the Gulf south of the USA where it bloomed in spring and sometimes again in fall. One thing that strikes me is that a lot of people are not growing Oxalis in the mix you usually hear associated with it. I looked up what I could find from Micael Vassar and found this: "The potting mix for Oxalis depends on what kind of Oxalis you are planting. I find that the winter growing species from the Western Cape area of South Africa (now correctly the Southern Cape I think) all do best planted in a very poor mix with little or no organic material. In habitat they almost all grow in pure decomposed sandstone. For these winter growing species I use 50% agricultural pumice, 40% washed builder's sand and 10% leaf mould (or less). A mix of pumice and washed builder's sand would be adequate without any organics at all. I fertilize with a 15-30-15 fertilizer at 1/4 strength about once a month. I don't like perlite because of the dust and because it floats to the top in a planting mix. The summer growing African species need a richer mix and can have up to 25% organic material. They tend to have a longer growing season (some are even evergreen). Oxalis species from Central America and Mexico (mostly rhizomatous) are mostly evergreen and also do best in a richer planting mix. I plant all bulbs one inch (2.5cm) deep. Bulbs adjust themselves in the planting mix to the correct depth. It is impossible to distinguish the top from the bottom of some Oxalis bulbs so plant them sideways-always works well. I find that Oxalis grow, flower, and produce replacement bulbs better if grown on the hard side." As I read on I found the following note from Will Ashburner: "I do the opposite to Mike with regards planting mix. Mine is totally organic (shredded composted pine bark and coco peat)with an air fill porosity of 20% and full range of nutrients. They multiply like rabbits and flower etc. I have never seen them in the wild so they may be out of character and too lush, but ignorance is bliss." It sounds like Oxalis are very flexible. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:01:36 -0000 From: "David Fenwick" <crocosmia@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [pbs] Amaryllis with Nerine + Sanders Nursery To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <000901c3a9bc$5c66e9a0$7e89eb50@davidfen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Michael and all, >>>>>I have also been trying some crosses with various Nerine sarniensis cultivars. Very little success so far, although I may have achieved a few using the Nerine as the seed parent. Won't know until they bloom. The same has happened here this year but with Nerine bowdenii 'E. B. Anderson'. The seeds look good but I'll have to see if they'll germinate. Does anyone know anything about Sanders and Sons Nursery ? Presumably an old UK nursery, and one that was going at the turn of the previous century, around the 1900s. I've just received an Amaryllis belladonna 'Sanders Form' with provenance dating back to 1906, and to this nursery, so obviously I'd like to find out a little more about them. Best Wishes, Dave David Fenwick NCCPG National Plant Heritage Collections of Crocosmia with Chasmanthe and Tulbaghia The African Garden 96 Wasdale Gardens Estover Plymouth Devon England PL6 8TW Websites http://www.theafricangarden.com/ http://www.crocosmiaheritage.com/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com/). Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 03/11/03 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:36:38 +1100 From: Robert Hamilton <roberth6@mac.com> Subject: [pbs] Triteleia lemmonae To: Pacific Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <42C6D547-15C5-11D8-9F72-0003938EDBFA@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi all, I have just posted some images of Triteleia lemmonae to the wiki . It is flowering in my garden at present. I raised it from seed purchased from Southwest Native Seeds and have grown it for a number of years , always in a pot until I put some in a new raised be I constructed last summer. The "in ground" plants are flowering later than those in pots but are looking much better and are featured in the images. Mary Sue wrote the following about T lemmonae in her very comprehensive article. "Triteleia lemmonae is a species that is endemic to Arizona where it grows in sparse pine woodland at elevations between 5000 and 7000 feet (1524-2134 meters). It has bright yellow flowers fading purplish with arrowhead-shaped anthers." One of the images illustrates the "arrowheads." http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… Cheers, Rob in TasmaniaFrom dejager@bulbargence.com Thu Nov 13 11:07:28 2003 Return-Path: <dejager@bulbargence.com> Delivered-To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Received: from sydney.provnet.fr (mail.provnet.fr [81.255.52.28]) by happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647AC2001F for <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.9.113.174] by sydney.provnet.fr (NTMail 5.06.0016/NT2604.00.2eaccbf8) with ESMTP id ssfojbaa for pbs@lists.ibiblio.org; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:54:53 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.5 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:06:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [pbs] Oxalis--TOW From: Lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <BBD96AA5.1032%dejager@bulbargence.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20031112215636.00b4ec50@mail.mcn.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> List-Id: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs.lists.ibiblio.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php>, <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/> List-Post: <mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> List-Help: <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php>, <mailto:pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe> Andrew and all, Oxalis polyphylla var heptaphylla came here via Mary Sue from Michel Vassar and is just about to flower. It has palmate ( or digital ?) leaves with very fine lobes. There are other Oxalis with equally deorative leaves like the O palmifrons (still waiting to see the flowers but very decorative leaves) O flava (including a pink form with only two very wide lobes). Four years ago you gave me a yellow Oxalis, which after a few years sulking in its new environment is now doing well and is flowering now with dainty small yellow flowers. Temperorary it was identified as being O lobata but I am not very sure of it. Your picture of this plant is in our website. http://www.bulbargence.com/. Can you confirm that it the correct name now? Kin regards Lauw de Jager South of France (zone 8 Olivier) ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16 ***********************************