First; Thanks Liz for the link to the gorgeous picture site in Japan. I NEED the two Ledbourai socialis on the left side of the page. White edged and brightly patterned. Wow. Anyone grow these? Dear all; After corresponding with David and Mary Sue, I cannot offer David's pics to PBS. First these are not all David's pics and they do not have full permission, second they could NEVER go on a web site without permission. David sent these to me from his personal file to look at only. I found them very interesting and second David's suggestion of a Google image search as a good substitute. Sorry and hope I didn't put David on the spot then or now. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +