Bill Lee was enquiring about costs and timing associated with the tests. As this research is pretty leading edge in terms of cultivar identification it is not cheap and we are talking significant 4 figure sums. However as and when the processes become more common in practice costs will drop.. Chemicals and man hours are the main cost components. Let's face it many genera have difficult identification problems when following normal botanical procedures. This usually results in a lot of argument and confusion,so that any plantsman who wants to establish certainty in his stock is going to try to achieve results using DNA analysis. Re time scales this particular test will have to fit in with Bioprofiles other ongoing work but we expect results in the first quarter of 2004. The test itself involves about 240 hours using the technique of developing microsatellites and analysing them on a automated genetic analyser. Successful test work has already been carried out against a small selection of pelargonium cultivars and we are confident that we can produce valid data. regards Alan Kennedy NCCPG National Collection of Schizostylis Cultivars