Mary Sue & Paige, Thanks for your help on Fritillaria pudica. What I forgot to mention was that my seedlings have started into growth in May this year the last month of our autumn. Since winter hit us some are looking particularly seedy - but in one case a secondary shoot has appeared next to the yellowing initial shoot and this looks stronger. I have grown F affinis and biflora for a long time now and they do very well in our climate so would like to get more of your American Frits going. I have a single seedling ( 3rd year) of F atropurpurea seed of which came from SW Native seeds in Arizona . ( Have raised some great Tigridia species from them as well). I once raised to flowering F phaenthera which was a lovely diminutive brick red - then lost the lot a couple of years later. I noticed the first shoot of Erythronium toulumnese today . Regards, Rob