Thanks for your suggestions.. I only have a couple of days since the weekend is booked with the races at Long beach- the gardens are a compromise with my husband;-) Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2011 12:02:04 PM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 9 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (Mary Sue Ittner) 2. Was: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Now PBS business (James Waddick) 3. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (Nhu Nguyen) 4. Re: Trip to San Diego (Robert Maijer) 5. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (bonsaigai37@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:49:40 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <20110405163522.33CF7E8EE1@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed We have an unmoderated list which means people can post without approval. Instructions ask people to post privately when they are trading bulbs and not to offer things for sale on the list. The last is because our list is sponsored as an educational list, not a commercial one. I usually email people privately if they continually abuse this because I don't want unpleasant communications on the list. If I don't get a response with a promise to reform and this continues, the only option we have is to moderate the posts. One of the reasons we ask for discussions of trades to be off list is in case something goes wrong; we do not want the list with permanent archives to be a place where people air their unhappiness with a trade. I decided to moderate Warren's posts since he continued to post messages about the Haemanthus he wanted to sell after I asked him more than once privately not to. He has responded to Diana's post (also including four previous messages which I have also asked him repeatedly not to do) saying that he was unhappy with the quality of the material she sent him in trade and did not feel it was equal to the quality of his bulbs and therefore wanted more from her before he sent anything. I will forward his post on to Diana and hope the two of them can sort it out between them without involving the rest of us. This exchange illustrates I believe why it is best to do your trading privately and not on the list. One of the nice things about this list has been that over the years people have with only a few exceptions been extraordinarily polite, generous, and helpful to the other members of the list. So many lists have unpleasant exchanges between people. We do not want this to happen on our list. Mary Sue PBS List Administrator ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:44:36 -0500 From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> Subject: [pbs] Was: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Now PBS business To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <p0624081fc9c100b7e20d@[10.0.1.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear PBS Friends, I think Mary Sue has put this very calmly into perspective. PBS is an educational, not a commercial list for exchange of ideas, experiences and inspiring personal information regarding bulbous plants of all types. We operate a 'bare bones' Seed and Bulb Exchange' and do not usually list specific prices, size, quantities, but rely on private emails for detailed transactions. We encourage commercial grower/ friends to announce new lists, catalogs and trades in the same general terms. A few days ago I posted a note about PBS etiquette (3/31/11) as suggestions. Let me add some specific 'do's and 'don't' s. Do give us your location when you tell us about your growing conditions or if it is specifically pertinent. Warren said he couldn't get to Annie's Annuals to make a purchase, but gave his only location as 'California' . That doesn't help because Calfornia has a lot of climate/environmental variation and Annie's is in Califonia and a lot closer than to him than most PBS members. Not useful enough details. Do be fair. We discourage 'He said/She said' sort of disparaging remarks and general bad mouthing about sales and trades. I personally think PBS is the perfect place to relate your experience with a seller, good or bad, but be fair. Make an effort to contact the other 'guy' with your unhappiness and try to work out details. PBS is not the first place to take out grievances. Do maintain a civil tone. Many PBS members go back more than a few months on the list, new posters need to test the waters and be aware of our limits. Warren just joined the discussions a few weeks ago and started off on the wrong foot on a number of topics. We hope he can continue to provide us with a good interchange as described above. And finally it bears repeating what Ellen posted earlier "Favors are something you ask of friends". whether it is your first post or your first trade or purchase, you are not necessarily a 'friend' until you have shared some friendly exchanges. Let's all keep civil, friendly and fun. Keep business private and try to 'give a little' if in doubt. Thanks to Mary Sue for giving this perspective. Best Jim W. From Mary Sue: > "We have an unmoderated list which means people can post without >approval. Instructions ask people to post privately when they are >trading bulbs and not to offer things for sale on the list. The last >is because our list is sponsored as an educational list, not a >commercial one........ > >I decided to moderate Warren's posts since he continued to post >messages about the Haemanthus he wanted to sell after I asked him >more than once privately not to. ...... > >This exchange illustrates I believe why it is best to do your trading >privately and not on the list. One of the nice things about this list >has been that over the years people have with only a few exceptions >been extraordinarily polite, generous, and helpful to the other >members of the list. ....." > -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:32:33 -0700 From: Nhu Nguyen <xerantheum@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <BANLkTikMLWjY3M+ryNh28UjpoA76nQf-vA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, I have to say that I have been doing business with Diana for some years now and have always been more than pleased with the bulb material from her. Nhu Berkeley, CA On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> wrote: > He has responded to Diana's post (also including four previous messages > which I have also asked him > repeatedly not to do) saying that he was unhappy with the quality of > the material she sent him in trade and did not feel it was equal to > the quality of his bulbs and therefore wanted more from her before he > sent anything. > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:06:19 +0000 From: Robert Maijer <maijer_robert@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Trip to San Diego To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <SNT107-W31EEE4437866E867A6BC694A20@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Lisa, Take a look at: http://www.cactus-mall.com/ many nursery and garden addresses there. Robert > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 01:21:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: kjweisner@comcast.net > Subject: [pbs] Trip to San Diego > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > <1084943925.2138334.1301966516643.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Evening.. My name is Lisa Weisner and I? have been a pretty inactive member on this list for the last 2 years. i garden in?central Indiana about an hour south of Indy. My son is? Marine currently stationed at Camp Pendleton and we will be flying out to visit in a couple of weeks I am looking for botanical gardens in the area. Quail is my favorite but I would like to expand my horizon. I also visit Grgsby's cactus nursery and would love to find another nursery in the San Diego area. I love south Africans and just about any caudiciform so any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Lisa > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7 > ********************************** ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: bonsaigai37@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <8CDC267C2B58AB0-6BC-55A39@webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If this scam is what it may appear to be... I fear I have been taken also. The entire idea of using a money order would hold true, mine was $50. If Mr. Keller does not come through, should we as a group, take him to task? Michael Loos Interlaken, NY ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 9 **********************************