Trip to San Diego
kjweisner@comcast.net (Wed, 06 Apr 2011 17:46:00 PDT)

Thanks for your suggestions.. I only have a couple of days since the weekend is booked with the races at Long

beach- the gardens are a compromise with my husband;-) Lisa
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (Mary Sue Ittner)
2. Was: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus  Now PBS business
(James Waddick)
3. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (Nhu Nguyen)
4. Re: Trip to San Diego (Robert Maijer)
5. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (bonsaigai37@aol.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:49:40 -0700
From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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We have an unmoderated list which means people can post without
approval. Instructions ask people to post privately when they are
trading bulbs and not to offer things for sale on the list. The last
is because our list is sponsored as an educational list, not a
commercial one. I usually email people privately if they continually
abuse this because I don't want unpleasant communications on the
list.  If I don't get a response with a promise to reform and this
continues, the only option we have is to moderate the posts. One of
the reasons we ask for discussions of trades to be off list is in
case something goes wrong; we do not want the list with permanent
archives to be a place where people air their unhappiness with a trade.

I decided to moderate Warren's posts since he continued to post
messages about the Haemanthus he wanted to sell after I asked him
more than once privately not to. He has responded to Diana's post
(also including four previous messages which I have also asked him
repeatedly not to do) saying that he was unhappy with the quality of
the material she sent him in trade and did not feel it was equal to
the quality of his bulbs and therefore wanted more from her before he
sent anything. I will forward his post on to Diana and hope the two
of them can sort it out between them without involving the rest of us.

This exchange illustrates I believe why it is best to do your trading
privately and not on the list. One of the nice things about this list
has been that over the years people have with only a few exceptions
been extraordinarily polite, generous, and helpful to the other
members of the list. So many lists have unpleasant exchanges between
people. We do not want this to happen on our list.

Mary Sue
PBS List Administrator

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:44:36 -0500
From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
Subject: [pbs] Was: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus  Now PBS
business
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Dear PBS Friends,
I think Mary Sue has put this very calmly into perspective.
PBS is an educational, not a commercial list for exchange of ideas,
experiences and inspiring personal information regarding bulbous
plants of all types. We operate a 'bare bones' Seed and Bulb
Exchange' and do not usually list specific prices, size, quantities,
but rely on private emails for detailed transactions.
We encourage commercial grower/ friends to announce new
lists, catalogs and trades in the same general terms.

A few days ago I posted a note about PBS etiquette (3/31/11)
as suggestions.  Let me add some specific 'do's and 'don't' s.

Do give us your location when you tell us about your growing
conditions or if it is specifically pertinent. Warren said he
couldn't get to Annie's Annuals to make a purchase, but gave his only
location as 'California' . That doesn't help because Calfornia has a
lot of climate/environmental variation and Annie's is in Califonia
and a lot closer than to him than most PBS members.        Not useful
enough details.

Do be fair. We discourage 'He said/She said' sort of
disparaging remarks and general bad mouthing about sales and trades.
I personally think PBS is the perfect place to relate your experience
with a seller, good or bad, but be fair. Make an effort to contact
the other 'guy' with your unhappiness and try to work out details.
PBS is not the first place to take out grievances.

Do maintain a civil tone. Many PBS members go back more than
a few months on the list, new posters need to test the waters and be
aware of our limits. Warren just joined the discussions a few weeks
ago and started off on the wrong foot on a number of topics. We hope
he can continue to provide us with a good interchange  as described
above.

And finally it bears repeating what Ellen posted earlier
"Favors are something you ask of friends". whether it is your first
post or your first trade or purchase, you are not necessarily a
'friend' until you have shared some friendly exchanges.

Let's all keep civil, friendly and fun. Keep business private
and try to 'give a little' if in doubt.

Thanks to Mary Sue for giving this perspective.

Best                Jim W.

From Mary Sue:

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Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
USA
Ph.    816-746-1949
Zone 5 Record low -23F
Summer 100F +

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:32:33 -0700
From: Nhu Nguyen <xerantheum@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Hi everyone,

I have to say that I have been doing business with Diana for some years now
and have always been more than pleased with the bulb material from her.

Nhu
Berkeley, CA

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> wrote:

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:06:19 +0000
From: Robert Maijer <maijer_robert@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Trip to San Diego
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Hello Lisa,

Take a look at:

http://www.cactus-mall.com/

many nursery and garden addresses there.

Robert

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:49:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: bonsaigai37@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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If this scam is what it may appear to be... I fear I have been taken also.  The entire idea of using a money order would hold true, mine was $50.
If Mr. Keller does not come through, should we as a group, take him to task?
Michael Loos
Interlaken, NY

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