Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a photo here. I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one of you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all figure out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this with L. socialis/violacea. Thanks Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants -----------------------------------------------------------------------------