Ledebouria socialis is there with and without purple backs A cross between the two is fertile Ben J.M.Zonneveld Nationaal Herbarium Nederland POBox 9514 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands telf 071 5274738 E-mail: Zonneveld@NHN.Leidenuniv.nl -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:01 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 25 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fringed Tulips (totototo@telus.net) 2. Re: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis (aaron floden) 3. Re: Fringed Tulips (Jim McKenney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:58:54 -0700 From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Re: [pbs] Fringed Tulips To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <4DACA60E.5410.2F35@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Apr 2011, at 12:25, Jim McKenney wrote: > 'Titan' Was it not 'Titian', after the famous painter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titian/ -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: aaron floden <aaron_floden@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <533648.19210.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ?It would seem the combination Ledebouria paucifolia has never been made even though Baker described these new Scilla as "Scilla [Ledebouria] spp", knowing that they all fit within the Ledebouria section of Scilla at the time (1875). ?I also meant to mention that the type of Scilla paucifolia is clearly the more ovate leaved L. socialis in cultivation, but it is not clear if it is distinctly different. ?Aaron --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Nhu Nguyen <xerantheum@gmail.com> wrote: From: Nhu Nguyen <xerantheum@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 7:36 AM Hi everyone, There is certainly much confusion with this plant. I just made a quick Google search and found a plant that has beautiful leaves and flowers that look exactly like what we have come to know as L. socialis *except* that it lacks any purple coloring. Take a look at the link below and you can perhaps see into the past where Baker studied a plant similar to this one. So with that, I think the synonomy of this particular plant and L. socialis is pretty certain. http://cactus-art.biz/schede/LEDEBOURIA/… However, most of the plants out there, including Jude's plant do not have leaves that look like this at all. They are ovate and have faint minute markings. They a much slower growing plant as well, despite the ability to produce lots of offsets. I remember when I broke a leaf on my plant. It took months before the leaf was replaced. However, all of this does not mean that it can't just be another form of L. socialis. The Ledebouria-Scilla-Resnova-Drimiopsis group is a big mess and until someone works out the details, we will have to try and stick to the most correct name we know of. Both of the names "L. pauciflora" AND "L. paucifolia" are applied to this plant when doing a web search. The problem is that both of these names are not valid under any plant list, even the most comprehensive of them: http://www.theplantlist.org/. A Google search for L. pauciflora brings up 14,500 hits whereas L. paucifolia only brings up 2,640 hits. The entry on the PBS wiki is meant to catch the most searches. There is no synonym on the page so I'll add it to that page. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:29:46 -0400 From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Fringed Tulips To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <20110419082946.2338@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Of course, you're right, Roger, it's Titian as Judy pointed out in her response. It's spring, and I can't read, write, or focus on anything for long. Thanks, Jim McKenney ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 25 ***********************************