south african amaryllids
Kipp McMichael (Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:30:57 PDT)

Greetings,

Now that Ms. Saunders has stated unequivocally that selling rescue bulbs is illegal in South Africa, I will inquire further into the situation of the supplier who offered these bulbs. I was under the impression that the South African government does have in place procedures that allow limited sale of properly documented rescue material (such is the case here in the US, for instance).

Hopefully I can uncover whether these truly are rescue bulbs, rather than merely poached bulbs being sold with a rescue cover story. The money to be made in selling rescue bulbs can, on the one hand, encourage people to plunder bulbs under no threat. It can also, however, allow excess capacity (and by all measures development in South Africa continues to outpace the ability for conservators to relocate threatened plants) to be dispersed to those with an interest in establishing non-wild sources for these bulbs.

All South African suppliers, both those "proven and known for a long
time" and those who prove to be disreputable, require payment for their
merchandise. In dealing with foreign suppliers, a certain amount of
trust is necessary for any kind of trade to occur. The best that we can
do is to take note of and selectively patronize those who display
ethical business practices.

To put it another way, I will not choose to be party to supporting, directly or indirectly, the indiscriminate plundering of wild populations of any of the plants I grow. I am not troubled, however, by the notion that ethically rescued bulbs may sometimes be sold to interested parties.

-|<ipp

From: ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:18:23 +0000
Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids

Kipp, if you are supporting the plundering of wild plants or animals it is irrelevant if they are for propagation or not. Paying for this material only encourages further plundering and it has been so forever.

Again, I am puzzled by this search of new sources when there are several that are proven and known for a long time.

Greetings,

This is very disappointing to hear. I have already received bulbs from this company and now it seems they are not as reputable as I had every reason to believe previously. At least my intent for these bulbs is propagation. It is unfortunate how fraught with unintended harm the exotic bulb hobby can be...

-|<ipp

From: silverhill@yebo.co.za
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:10:43 +0200
Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids

The selling of plants rescued from development sites is illegal in South
Africa, so I suggest that you do not support this company.
Regards
Rachel Saunders
Silverhill Seeds and Books
Tel: +27 21 762 4245
Fax: +27 21 797 6609
PO Box 53108,
Kenilworth,
7745 South Africa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto Castillo" <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids

They rescue bulbs to sell them? This is the world upside down! I would
encourage every one not to support this aberrhation

I am still waiting for my payee bulbs from last year
from this seller
and I am not the only one

PM my personal if you want to know more

Roland

2011/3/16 Kipp McMichael <kimcmich@hotmail.com>:

Greetings,

A South African nursery from whom I regularly purchase bulbs has
informed me

that they have a large allotment of rescue bulbs from sites in the
northern,
western Cape. The list of bulbs includes: Ammocharis longifolia,
Ammocharis
coranica, Boophane haemanthoides, Boophone disticha, Brunsvigia
bosmaniae,
Brunsvigia gregaria, Brunsvigia orientalis, Gethyllis afra, Gethyllis
linearis,
Haemanthus humilis and Haemanthus pubescens. These are all large, mature
bulbs.
Please send me a note off-list and I can give you the pricelist and
contact
information of the seller.

-|<ipp

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