Gosh, if people are going to sell you seeds or plants, they should throw a pollinator in for free!!! Celeste Hi Paul, I grow Babiana ringens. Seed was from Silverhill in 2000 or 2001 and the plants first bloomed in 2007 and set seed in 2008. As there are no sunbirds in the greenhouse, I don't know what the pollinator was. Seed was sown May 2008, watered in mid-September, and germinated in October. These plants have the typical pleated, stiff leaves, a glaucus tinge, and are quite attractive out of bloom and superb when flowering. If I get seed this year, I'd love to exchange some with you. Mark Mazer Hertford, North Carolina USA Zone 7b-8 _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/