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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Norm Kalbfleisch added you as a connection on Plaxo
(Douglas Westfall)
2. New Email (Dell Sherk)
3. Pacific BX 195 (Dell Sherk)
4. Membership renewal (Dell Sherk)
5. evergreen chives? (Diane Whitehead)
6. Re: evergreen chives? (Lauw de Jager)
7. Re: evergreen chives? (Diane Whitehead)
8. Re: evergreen chives? (PJOSPUX@aol.com)
9. Re: evergreen chives? (DavBouch5@aol.com)
10. Bowiea Nana (B.J.M. Zonneveld)
11. Plant exchange options (WDA)
12. Plant exchange options (WDA)
13. Re: Membership renewal (Ruth Bierhoff)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:41 -0800
From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Norm Kalbfleisch added you as a connection on Plaxo
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <4288E57C-645D-4F39-9591-92576BC8803B@flash.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

"Norm Kalbfleisch wants to add you as a connection on Plaxo."

DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT ADD MY NAME OR EMAIL ADDRESS!!!

DOUG WESTFALL

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:44:42 -0500
From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net>
Subject: [pbs] New Email
To: "General PBS forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <000e01c979a5$3565f990$a031ecb0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Dear All,

I have a new email address. The old one dells@voicenet.com still works for
the time being, but please start using the new one ds429@comcast.net

Best wishes,

Dell

Dell Sherk, PBS BX

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:41:34 -0500
From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net>
Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 195
To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>, "Annalee"
<pasogal@ameritech.net>, "Cathy Craig" <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>,
<DavBouch5@aol.com>, "Douglas Westfall" <eagle85@flash.net>, "General
PBS forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, "John Lonsdale"
<john@johnlonsdale.net>, "'Macfarlane'" <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>,
"'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>, "'Mark Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>,
"'Pat Colville'" <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>, "The Masterson
Family" <masterson4@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c979a4$c53aeae0$4fb0c0a0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Dear All,

The items listed below have been donated by our members to be
shared.

If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me
PRIVATELY
at <ds429@comcast.net>. Include "BX 195" in the subject line.

Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not
specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address,
too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first
come,
first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find,
included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item)
(cash, check, or Pay Pal to <Arnold@NJ.rr.com>; no money orders, please)
you
should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and
first-class, priority-mail, or international postage.

PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE
ON
EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS.

Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not
members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO
MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take
advantage
of future offers such as this. Go to our website:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ ....

If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the
PBS,(Donors
will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their
donations.),
please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to:

Dell Sherk
6832 Phillips Mill Rd.
New Hope, PA, 18938
USA

I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER.
IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !!

From Pieter van der Walt:

SEEDS:

1. Boophone disticha, "courtesy of BuPSSA, the Bulbous Plant Society of
Southern African -?a?lively group of gardeners, botanists?and
horticulturists who meet once a month at the Walter Sisulu Botanical
Garden
in Roodepoort, Gauteng, for a talk about bulbs by an expert speaker.
BuPSSA
has been going for about two years now, and hope to have a webpage up and
running in the near future to facilitate communication, post articles and
manage the seed exchange that?sprouted from?its meetings. BuPSSA aims to
serve a similar membership?than IBSA, but for the Northern regions of
South
Africa, international membership will also become possible in the future,
once their journal has been sorted out."
?
2. Crinum ligulatum, "originally from Itremo, Madagascar. The seeds?are
from?hand-pollinated plants in my collection. This is a very beautiful
species."
?
3. Nelumbo nucifera var. caspicum aka Russian Red Lotus, "from the Volga
River Delta in Russia, I received my original material from Walter Pagels
who is known the world over?for his contributions to watergardening. These
have single, dark pink flowers which are produced prolifically through
summer."

Thank you, Pieter !!

Best wishes,
Dell

Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:00:33 -0500
From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net>
Subject: [pbs] Membership renewal
To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>, "Annalee"
<pasogal@ameritech.net>, "Cathy Craig" <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>,
<DavBouch5@aol.com>, "Douglas Westfall" <eagle85@flash.net>, "General
PBS forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, "John Lonsdale"
<john@johnlonsdale.net>, "'Macfarlane'" <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>,
"'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>, "'Mark Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>,
"'Pat Colville'" <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>, "The Masterson
Family" <masterson4@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001401c979a7$6c825570$45870050$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi All,

It is a new year, and some of you still have not renewed your PBS
membership
by paying your dues for 2009. If you want to keep getting the treasures
that
the PBS BX has to offer, renew right away. Go to the website:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/

Best wishes,
Dell

Dell Sherk, PBS BX

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:18:54 -0800
From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com>
Subject: [pbs] evergreen chives?
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <8258D75B-8F5A-414F-943E-CB762586D1D5@islandnet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

I am planning projects for the summer and decided I really want to
grow some evergreen chives. I can pick all my herbs year round except
for basil, chives and mint. Of those, chives are the ones most
frequently used.

I checked the wiki chives page,which shows lots of pretty flowers,
but it doesn't mention whether any of them keep their leaves.

Does anyone know of evergreen ones?

Diane Whitehead
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate
mild rainy winters, mild dry summers

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:39:50 +0100
From: Lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives?
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <C599ECD6.457F%dejager@bulbargence.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Diana,
I assume that mean Allium schoenoprasum?
Its vegetative period is here (in our m?diterranean climate) from March
till November For more information see growing cycle in the link:
http://bulbargence.com/m_catalogue/article.php/…
e=44&val=
`Transplanting is generally done during the winter months.
Kind greetings

-- Lauw de Jager
Bulb'Argence
South of France (zone 9 (olive trees)
emailto: dejager@bulbargence.com
Site http://www.bulbargence.com/

Le 19/01/09 8:18, ??Diane Whitehead?? <voltaire@islandnet.com> a ?crit?:

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:21:23 -0800
From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives?
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <7542338E-70C2-4E6F-92B7-C941236B91EC@islandnet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Yes. A herb website in the U.K. says it is evergreen except in very
cold winters. However, none of my plants keep their leaves past
November, and it is not always cold then. ( I should check to see if
there is a correlation with Dahlia and A. schoenoprasum.)

Diane

On 18-Jan-09, at 11:39 PM, Lauw de Jager wrote:

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:05:29 EST
From: PJOSPUX@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives?
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <c19.4c8e1023.36a5aa69@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Yes it is evergreen here in Kent SE UK, but it stops growing for at least
three months so if cropped you've had it until the spring. I suppose
cloches
would help provide some better growing conditions.

Paul..wet, windy and foul

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:33:45 EST
From: DavBouch5@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives?
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <bd1.4933821b.36a5b109@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Diane

There is a variety of chives with pink flowers, and also one with white
flowers that grow all year here in Hawaii.. Don't know the names, but
evergreen
chives exist.

David Boucher

**************
Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the
nation's capital.
(http://news.aol.com/main/politics/…)

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:15:50 +0100
From: "B.J.M. Zonneveld" <B.J.M.Zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl>
Subject: [pbs] Bowiea Nana
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:
<8E19E8A2233ED74D8483ACF3FBB3603B0268A60E@iblmail.ibl.leidenuniv.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I incline to agree with Alberto on Bowiea differences However I don't
know what nana is ( kilimandscharica? ) That is why I asked for seed.
Roy Herold offered to send me some. He also ponted me to a nice picture
of Nana but I could not see any difference with kilim.
b.j.m.zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl
Institute of Molecular Plant Sciences
Clusius laboratory
PBox 9505
2300RA Leiden
The Netherlands

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:25:35 -0500
From: WDA <aley_wd@mac.com>
Subject: [pbs] Plant exchange options
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <13893909725664732583672052267378794314-Webmail@me.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Peter,
As a "lurker" to the PBS web dialog,I always find the conversation threads
about plant exchanges interesting and when the annual plant, seed and bulb
exchange starts to go full swing I think that it's important to remind the
group about import requirements of transferring living plant material
internationally. For many countries there a few restrictions while other
countries have very precise rules. It's important to know what those
restrictions are for successful plant material exchanges. I am not
advocating what's right and fair nor justifying why it's necessary to work
around the plant cops, but awareness, If for no other reason than to avoid
loosing limited or rare plant material is always in one's best interest.
In the USA, APHIS is trying to change many of the existing requirements
to allow plant movement while minimizing plant and environment pest risk.
It goes without saying that the USA requirements can be complex and often
lacking equality when not transiting through the commercial systems.
There are a few programs established such as the small lots of seed and
the 12 plants or less that try to equalize between corporate growers and
individual collectors. Usually phytosanitary certificates are required for
almost all transactions. Sometimes these documents, when the right
government official can be found, cost more than the plant material one is
shipping.
When sending to the USA, any plant material without a phytosanitary
certificate, (unless the recipient has an appropriate permit), involves a
certain amount of risk to loosing the material. The laws and requirements
that are in place have been as the result of a previous problem.The
requirements are not put in place to punish or exclude individuals, but
some are outdated and the Department of Homeland Security continues to
increase their presence in both mail facilities and small package systems
and the tools the use to detect and find are getting more refined and
they increase the numbers of staff who are looking for anything not within
the official processes. Even having the right documents may not be enough
sometimes, but lacking them altogether, when the material is found it will
result in the loss and destruction. Like it or not, DHS keeps records of
infractions and they will investigate and follow up on individuals with a
history of plant "smuggling" which is a term
used when someone ships without the appropriate documents. Recently they
have been accessing fines and penalties to the importer for the actions of
the exporter. Under the current legal system the government has been
winning cases of the importer not preparing the exporter sufficiently or
ensuring that the appropriate documents are in the shipment and the
rewarding the importer with stiff financial penalties.
I always suggest individuals become aware and educated about how the
process works then find ways to make it adapt to your own individual
situations.
There is a saying in the anti-smuggling business. "We only catch the dumb
ones and we are constantly training the next generation of smugglers".
Personally I believe that it's much easier to learn how to work within the
systems because in the end, everyone gets what they want.

I'll go back to lurking on the sidelines
Bill Aley

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:34:39 -0500
From: WDA <aley_wd@mac.com>
Subject: [pbs] Plant exchange options
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <64623766904325600605678877005948486400-Webmail@me.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Peter,
As a "lurker" to the PBS web dialog,I always find the conversation threads
about plant exchanges interesting and when the annual plant, seed and bulb
exchange starts to go full swing I think that it's important to remind the
group about import requirements of transferring living plant material
internationally. For many countries there a few restrictions while other
countries have very precise rules. It's important to know what those
restrictions are for successful plant material exchanges. I am not
advocating what's right and fair nor justifying why it's necessary to work
around the plant cops, but awareness, If for no other reason than to avoid
loosing limited or rare plant material is always in one's best interest.
In the USA, APHIS is trying to change many of the existing requirements
to allow plant movement while minimizing plant and environment pest risk.
It goes without saying that the USA requirements can be complex and often
lacking equality when not transiting through the commercial systems.
There are a few programs established such as the small lots of seed and
the 12 plants or less that try to equalize between corporate growers and
individual collectors. Usually phytosanitary certificates are required for
almost all transactions. Sometimes these documents, when the right
government official can be found, cost more than the plant material one is
shipping.
When sending to the USA, any plant material without a phytosanitary
certificate, (unless the recipient has an appropriate permit), involves a
certain amount of risk to loosing the material. The laws and requirements
that are in place have been as the result of a previous problem.The
requirements are not put in place to punish or exclude individuals, but
some are outdated and the Department of Homeland Security continues to
increase their presence in both mail facilities and small package systems
and the tools the use to detect and find are getting more refined and
they increase the numbers of staff who are looking for anything not within
the official processes. Even having the right documents may not be enough
sometimes, but lacking them altogether, when the material is found it will
result in the loss and destruction. Like it or not, DHS keeps records of
infractions and they will investigate and follow up on individuals with a
history of plant "smuggling" which is a term
used when someone ships without the appropriate documents. Recently they
have been accessing fines and penalties to the importer for the actions of
the exporter. Under the current legal system the government has been
winning cases of the importer not preparing the exporter sufficiently or
ensuring that the appropriate documents are in the shipment and the
rewarding the importer with stiff financial penalties.
I always suggest individuals become aware and educated about how the
process works then find ways to make it adapt to your own individual
situations.
There is a saying in the anti-smuggling business. "We only catch the dumb
ones and we are constantly training the next generation of smugglers".
Personally I believe that it's much easier to learn how to work within the
systems because in the end, everyone gets what they want.

I'll go back to lurking on the sidelines
Bill Aley

------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:52:04 -0500
From: "Ruth Bierhoff" <email@ruthbierhoff.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <C24FD2C8EEFB4DAE98E3567F67708200@bierhoffcjj14d>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Hi Dell,
To the best of my knowledge my membership is good to Jan 1/2010. I became
a
new member in October 2008. If I need to renew anyway, please let me know.
Thanks,
Ruth Bierhoff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net>
To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>; "Annalee"
<pasogal@ameritech.net>; "Cathy Craig" <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>;
<DavBouch5@aol.com>; "Douglas Westfall" <eagle85@flash.net>; "General PBS
forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>; "John Lonsdale" <john@johnlonsdale.net>;
"'Macfarlane'" <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>; "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>;
"'Mark Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>; "'Pat Colville'"
<Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>; "The Masterson Family"
<masterson4@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: [pbs] Membership renewal

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