pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 27

pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 27
Lin (Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:48:35 PST)

I think you can buy one at greenhouse supply companies for a lot less than
that - here's one at Charley's for < $50 (plus shipping etc.)

http://charleysgreenhouse.com/index.cfm/…
515&s=opener&cid1=1010&cid2=315&cid3=-99

Lin in Texas

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Re the McKenny coldframe: It shouldn't be too difficult to rig a
temperature-controlled thermostatic switch, motor and gears to to raise and
lower it as needed. Then one could reduce checking to once a week, or
occasionally. It might even be done for under $300 (guess).Considering the
investment in bulbs and seedlkings already, there might be a reasonable
risk/benefit ratio.

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Membership renewal (Pat Colville)
2. Re: Plant exchange options (Justin Smith)
3. membership payments (Arnold Trachtenberg)
4. Re: membership payments (Theladygardens@aol.com)
5. Re: membership payments (Arnold Trachtenberg)
6. Re: Plant exchange options (Laura & Dave)
7. protected cold frame (Kathleen Sayce)
8. Re: Plant exchange options (Dennis Kramb)
9. Re: Plant exchange options (Diane Whitehead)
10. Plant exchanges (WDA)
11. Re: Fw: Greentours San Diego Flora (Marguerite English)
12. Re: Plant exchange options (Mark BROWN)
13. Re: Membership renewal (Ruth Bierhoff)
14. Re: Membership renewal (Ruth Bierhoff)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:18:37 -0800
From: Pat Colville <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal
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Hello Ruth: Your membership is good until the end of this year. I will
get the corrected records to Dell

Pat Colville
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On Behalf Of Ruth Bierhoff
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal

Hi Dell,
To the best of my knowledge my membership is good to Jan 1/2010. I became
a
new member in October 2008. If I need to renew anyway, please let me know.
Thanks,
Ruth Bierhoff
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: [pbs] Membership renewal

Hi All,

It is a new year, and some of you still have not renewed your PBS
membership
by paying your dues for 2009. If you want to keep getting the treasures
that
the PBS BX has to offer, renew right away. Go to the website:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/

Best wishes,
Dell

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:20:42 -0600
From: Justin Smith <oothal@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Plant exchange options
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Recently they have been accessing fines and penalties to the importer for
the actions of> the exporter. Under the current legal system the
government has been winning> cases of the importer not preparing the
exporter sufficiently or ensuring> that the appropriate documents are in
the shipment and the rewarding the> importer with stiff financial
penalties. ?>

Hi all,

Seems like all you have to do is send a email to anyone you buy seed from.

Enclose a link to the USDA website and state something like.

"You must follow all rules and regulations stated in the website I have
provided a link to."

I think that would just about be the best you could do to CYA.

Make it so each email you send has a EULA.

Before reading email you must agree to follow all rules and regulations
set forth by the USDA. LOL

Justin
Woodville, TX 8b/9a
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:03:18 -0500
From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com>
Subject: [pbs] membership payments
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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There has been a flurry of activity following Dell's note on 2009 dues.

I would ask that if you pay via PayPal indicate in the 'comment section'
that this is for 2009 dues.

If you pay via check write in the memo section '2009 dues'.

Thank you for supporting the Pacific Bulb Society.

Arnold Trachtenberg
Treasurer PBS

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:10:32 EST
From: Theladygardens@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pbs] membership payments
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Just to let you know Arnold, there was no comment section when I paid. I
looked for it, that's why I sent you an e-mail explaining.
I thought there was always a comment section but wasn't this time.
Carolyn
**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's
capital.(http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:18:42 -0500
From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] membership payments
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <4974FC42.9040104@nj.rr.com>
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Carolyn:

Thanks for the note. I'll have a look. I never use Paypal, my email
address is linked to the PBS account.

Arnold

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:22:15 -0800
From: Laura & Dave <toadlily@olywa.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Plant exchange options
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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An idea I've had that would help greatly is if there were
instructions/conditions in as many languages as possible. The
appropriate translated document could be sent with orders and
all the rest of the documentation. It would be great if this
was available on the APHIS website, but a bit much to expect
considering their already strapped budget. Perhaps we as a
group could take on the project I'm sure there are many
languages represented here, and enough people to proofread the
translations. Whether we would/could make the translated
documents available, or give them to the government to post is
an issue to be resolved. I know that it would help to be able
to send instructions that are understood at the exporters' end,
as I've had Jim's experience myself. I speak enough Spanish to
travel and converse, but I have some difficulty with more
technical and legal documents. I'm sure it is the same for many
people who "speak" English. Heck, I have trouble with legal
documents in English, even as a native speaker!

Dave Brastow - Tumwater, Washington -usa-

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:22:10 -0800
From: Kathleen Sayce <ksayce@willapabay.org>
Subject: [pbs] protected cold frame
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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OK, Jim, I'll bite. Tell us more about this protected cold frame.
What is it made of, how deeply do you set it in the ground, what is
the glazing? Internal height? Do you use insulation around the
outside? Gravel base? Shade cloth in summer? How do you anchor the
glazing in high winds, etc? I ran a commercial greenhouse for years,
and so have held off going anywhere close to that direction for the
past decade in my own garden, but having given in to the dark side
and admitting that I adore geophyte (by joining PBS), I am now
looking at how to grow those species that can't take zone 8 conditions.
Details, please.
Kathleen

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:14:50 -0500
From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Plant exchange options
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Tim Harvey wrote:

I can't help but wonder why you're a member of this list ...

Agreed!!! The reference to our annual plant, seed and bulb exchange
was most amusing. :-)

Dennis in Cincinnati, accused smuggler & threat to homeland security...
apparently? lol. (checking the calendar to make sure it's not April 1.)

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:25:35 -0500> From: aley_wd@mac.com> To:
pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] Plant exchange options> > Hi
Peter,> As a "lurker" to the PBS web dialog,I always find the
conversation threads about plant exchanges interesting and when the
annual plant, seed and bulb exchange starts to go full swing I think
that it's important to remind the group about

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:29:56 -0800
From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Plant exchange options
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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On 19-Jan-09, at 11:38 AM, Jim McKenney wrote:

Bill, I hope we can count on you to keep before the rule makers the
complete
lack of control we as individual prospective importers have over the
actions
of the senders.

It's not just stuff coming in to the U.S., and it is not just non-
English speakers.

I could not get a U.S. inspector to write one sentence on my phyto
that I knew was essential. He couldn't see it in the rule book he was
looking in, so refused. When I got to the Canadian border, our
inspector phoned him to fax a new phyto with that sentence added. I
was the one who had to hang around waiting for the new paperwork. At
least I didn't get charged another $23 for the second phyto.

Diane Whitehead
Victoria, B.C., Canada

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:49:44 -0500
From: WDA <aley_wd@mac.com>
Subject: [pbs] Plant exchanges
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <61819883451772744765254076209836199117-Webmail@me.com>
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Sorry If I ruffled feathers. I'm not accusing anyone of doing anything
wrong. I just thought it helpful to be educated in what the restrictions
are and how to work within systems.
If my presence within this forum is unwelcome I'll keep my fingers silent.
Just trying to help. Perhaps I'll find another forum to participate with.
Take care folks.

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:05:52 -0800
From: Marguerite English <meenglis@meenglis.cts.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Fw: Greentours San Diego Flora
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Sorry all. I wanted to correct my error, but have been having computer
problems. Cuyamaca Park ends at about 3500 feet; then it is Cleveland
Natl forest that drops down into the community of Alpine, Ca. So
sorry for the error.

All the Manzanitas shrubs popped into bloom last week, so the first
blooms are showing. Yea!

Marguerite English wrote:

Actually, Cuyamaca state park drops all the way down to Alpine, Ca.,
which is about 3000 ft alt. I live at 3700 ft, right under Mt.
Cuyamaca on the southwest slope. We had snow on the peak through
Christmas week; but that has now melted. We often get a few days of snow

at this altitude during the 1st 3 months of the year, with a lot of rain
and wind. It is definitely winter here at least through Feb. First few
early bloom begins in late Feb. Apr-May have the best display. We have
even had occasional snow on Easter.

I do know the native herbaceous plants on this side of Cuyamaca. Most
of my lists belong to pressed plants I gathered near my home when the SD
Natural History Museum started its program to fill its herbarium with
recent samples gathered by local residents. I could share that with folks

who don't gather from the wild if anyone is interested.

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:43:24 +0100 (CET)
From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Plant exchange options
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I would gladly take on the french version for you.

Message du 19/01/09 23:22
De : "Laura & Dave"
A : "Pacific Bulb Society"
Copie ? :
Objet : Re: [pbs] Plant exchange options

Dave Brastow - Tumwater, Washington -usa-

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:16:38 -0500
From: "Ruth Bierhoff" <email@ruthbierhoff.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Thanks, Dell. Ruth
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From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal

Dear Ruth,

According to my records, you are paid up until 1/10

Dell

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On Behalf Of Ruth Bierhoff
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:52 PM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal

Hi Dell,
To the best of my knowledge my membership is good to Jan 1/2010. I became
a
new member in October 2008. If I need to renew anyway, please let me
know.
Thanks,
Ruth Bierhoff
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From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net>
To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>; "Annalee"
<pasogal@ameritech.net>; "Cathy Craig" <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>;
<DavBouch5@aol.com>; "Douglas Westfall" <eagle85@flash.net>; "General PBS
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"'Macfarlane'" <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>; "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>;
"'Mark Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>; "'Pat Colville'"
<Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>; "The Masterson Family"
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: [pbs] Membership renewal

Hi All,

Best wishes,
Dell

Dell Sherk, PBS BX

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:26:10 -0500
From: "Ruth Bierhoff" <email@ruthbierhoff.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Thanks, Pat. Ruth
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From: "Pat Colville" <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal

Hello Ruth: Your membership is good until the end of this year. I will
get the corrected records to Dell

Pat Colville
PBS Membership Director
1555 washburn R.
Pasadena, CA 91105
Tel: 909- 349-2933
Fax 909- 427-0634

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On Behalf Of Ruth Bierhoff
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:52 AM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal

Hi All,

Best wishes,
Dell

Dell Sherk, PBS BX

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