-------------------------->>I grow thaianum and calimistratum (a var. of natans). They are >>completely submerged all time. In summer I put them into a >>little pond at full sun, in winter (I live in zone 8) I put>> them in an aquarium with temperature at 18-20°C. I have not>> seen the flower till now, but I hope to. There is little in>> literature about these items and less in horticulture. >>I am experimenting! --------------------------------- Hi Gang, Last winter I wrote about Crinum thainum and C. natans, and a couple of other apparently fully aquatic Crinum species. Perhaps the plants are obligate aquatics, or perhaps they are facultative. Or maybe they really want to be submerged most of the time, but don't require 100% underwater existence. Alberto (in Italy) provided a bit of information. I'd like to try growing these plants, and looked for them in a couple of aquarium/fish stores, but did not find them. No doubt, one or another will appear for sale in the future-fish stores seem to have erratic shipments of stock. Anyway, I wonder if Alberto's plants bloomed this year? Does anyone have a clue about hybrids between these plants and other Crinum? As near as I can tell, the genus has specialized in many ways to exploit seriously arid environments, forests, savannahs and grasslands, sometimes-flooded regions and bog-like areas, and streams. Such wondrous adaptation is not without precedent, but it is special and fun to learn about. So, if you grow the 3 or 4 (or 5 or 6) aquatic Crinum, I'd enjoy hearing about your experiences and observations, whether in aquaria or in the garden. Cordially, Joe Conroe TX No rain for a week or more, and so I've been watering the summer-growing bulbs.