In a message dated 10/6/2005 10:44:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jimmckenney@starpower.net writes: question growing in the soil out in the garden or are they in pots? Both. I am moving to NC in the spring so have been potting up all sorts of plants to move. In August I popped a bunch out of bowdenii out of the ground and left the rest of the clump in situ, disturbed by the fork. Oh, I also removed all foliage at the time. These are seedling grown plants from two different batches of seed from the low altitude populations. My plants from the high altitude seeds are still in pots and are not of blooming size. Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, Connecticut 06755-0142 USA