Keep writing what you're writing,Lee. You do it well, it hasn't been too much for me. As a former Californian (Berkeley) who grows oddball stuff in Illinois, you help clarrify and keep my thinking sharp. Adam in Glenview,IL USDA Z 5a ----- Original Message ----- From: <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 33, Issue 32 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Eulophias (bonaventure@optonline.net) > 2. Climate zones (Gary) > 3. Re: Climate zones (John Grimshaw) > 4. Re: Climate Zones/'Cooling' at night (Susan Hayek) > 5. Re: Climate zones (John Bryan) > 6. Re: Climate zones (Tony Avent) > 7. Re: Climate Zones (ConroeJoe@aol.com) > 8. Re: Climate Zones/'Cooling' at night (Lee Poulsen) > 9. Re: Climate zones (Lee Poulsen) > 10. Re: Climate zones (Tony Avent) > 11. Re: Climate zones (Rodger Whitlock) > 12. Re: Eulophias (Robert Hamilton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:10:44 -0400 > From: bonaventure@optonline.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Eulophias > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <e054a92b8700.43622354@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Barbara wrote: > I'm curious, Bonaventure, about the requirements of this Eulophia. New > Jersey is much more humid than New Mexico. Does it require humidity to > thrive? > Thanks, > - Barbara Weintraub > Santa Fe, NM > USDA cold zone 5b/6a > > -- > I just brought my Eulophia keithii indoors. Now I put them under bright > light and stop all watering until new growth resumes in March or April. > The long thin (unorchid-like) grasslike leaves will soon wither and fall > off leaving attractive dark green flattened conical pseudobulbs 2-3 inches > tall, making the whole pot much more compact. When the growth resumes I > divide into 2-3 pseudobulb sections and repot into fresh potting soil > amended with perlite. Blooming soon follows, the inflorescence somewhat > resembling that of a smaller Cymbidium sinense or ensifolium. These are > enjoyed indoors. Then the plants are acclimated to full sunlight outdoors > in May and fertilized heavily untill fall. > Easy as pie - first neglect with no water, then throw water and fertilizer > on every day. I have extras available and am looking for other species. > Bonaventure Magrys > Cliffwood Beach, NJ USA > > > I dunno, but I would suggest acclimating it slowly to the higher light > levels in NM when put outside and beginning growth and keeping it amply > moist. I would watch for spider mites on the thin foliage. It grows like a > weed if you follow the key to indulge it with water and food while in > growth to ripen the pseudobulbs, and follow with sharp sharp deprivation > for 5-6 months. I have photos but putting them on the wiki is an exercise > in futility and frustration. > Bonaventure@optonline.net > Anyone want divisions contact me privately and I can divide them soon when > all the leaves are shed and bareroot send them for a small fee covering > postage & labor. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:59:26 -1000 > From: "Gary" <doji@hawaii.rr.com> > Subject: [pbs] Climate zones > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <001e01c5dbe9$568de590$370ffea9@aeiyf6hlf7azgl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi John, > > Another factor that doesn't fit the zones neatly into zip codes is > altitude. In my case I am 2.5 miles/4km straight line horizontally from > the official weather station, and 750'/230m higher in altitude. My > rainfall is 50% more than the official measure, and I average almost 10F > cooler. Here in the tropics, altitude has a much greater effect on > temperature among other things than on the U.S. mainland. And we are both > in the same zip code. > > Gary in Hilo, HI, where it rains every day, and in the winter it rains all > day > Zone 13/14 if there were such zones, 200"/500cm rain evenly spread > throughout the year > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:29:11 +0100 > From: "John Grimshaw" <johngrimshaw@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate zones > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <006401c5dbed$de929e50$d9ab403e@home5fce999940> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > John Bryan asked about soil-warming cables in the open ground, which > always > sounds like wonderful luxury. I have come across it only once, in the > garden > at Waltham Place, a mile or so from where I write in Maidenhead west of > London. The owners are the Oppenheimers, of De Beers fame, so they can > afford it: just a shame they only grow hardy plants in those beds! (Canna > & > Tradescantia pallida, both of which in recent years at least can be > regarded > as hardy hereabouts.) > > > John Grimshaw > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:14:26 -0700 > From: Susan Hayek <susanann@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate Zones/'Cooling' at night > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <a06210202bf88258b0e92@[69.106.40.233]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >>Even >>tomatoes stop producing new fruits during the peak hottest summer >>months in Austin--because the nights never cool down enough to let them >>form. (They've bred a few special heat tolerant varieties that can do >>it, and cherry tomatoes seem to already have that ability.) In >>California, even in areas where the days are hotter in summer than in >>Austin, the nights are still cooler and tomatoes fruit all summer long. > > **I'm confused on the tomato thing. My parents lived in the > California Central Valley for years (from 1952 on), Bakersfied, Taft, > Fresno and Kerman (south portions of the Central Valley). Days can > be well over 100F and nights may cool to 95-97F at 2 am. When I went > over to help them I did the gardening after midnight. > > They always had the best tomatoes, the huge ones (and the best roses). > So when we talk of nights 'cooling' how do we define 'cool'? Do we > mean certain amount of degrees less than afternoon temps? Or do we > mean a set temperature? > > > > s. > -- > susan hayek, North Coast of CA, USA, zone 9b, Sunset zone 17. > 15 miles south of Eureka, CA, with a peek of the ocean. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:19:07 -0700 > From: John Bryan <johnbryan@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate zones > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <436279AB.A10330FF@worldnet.att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > Dear John; > > Thanks for your e-mail. With solar panels I think such could be used for > soil cables and save on electricity. Thus the installation would cost a > little, but the sunlight is free! I am sure such will come to pass, if > not already here, and be used to raise vegetables and fruit. Such is > much used in California for various signs, and one sees them along the > freeways all the time. There are also certain tax advantages in using > sun panels as efforts re made to save fuels. Cheers, John E. Bryan > > John Grimshaw wrote: >> >> John Bryan asked about soil-warming cables in the open ground, which >> always >> sounds like wonderful luxury. I have come across it only once, in the >> garden >> at Waltham Place, a mile or so from where I write in Maidenhead west of >> London. The owners are the Oppenheimers, of De Beers fame, so they can >> afford it: just a shame they only grow hardy plants in those beds! (Canna >> & >> Tradescantia pallida, both of which in recent years at least can be >> regarded >> as hardy hereabouts.) >> >> John Grimshaw >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:33:08 -0400 > From: Tony Avent <tony@plantdelights.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate zones > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20051028153308.00bd8280@66.39.59.108> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > John: > > Work on the new USDA map began on August 18, 2004. In 2003, a draft > version was released by the American Horticulture Society which caused > quite an uproar in the horticultural community. This revision would have > done away with the "a" and "b" zone designations and would have been based > on a fifteen year sample (1986-2001) of climatic data. By using a 15-year > warm period sample, the draft map would have moved Chicago into zone 6 and > made other such disastrous errors. > > Thanks to the support of Dr. Judy St. John of USDA-ARS, the map revision > was put on hold until input from the stakeholders (government term for > folks most affected by government decisions) could be gathered. The August > 18 meeting included representatives from USDA- ARS, the American > Horticulture Society, the American Association of Botanic Gardens and > Arboreta, University Researchers, and representatives of the nursery > industry. > > The project will consist of two phases. In Phase I, the map will be > reconstructed using the most recent 30 years of average annual extreme > minimum temperatures. The map will also retain the "a and b" designations. > For the first time, the map will include a better breakdown of > coastal/lake > effects, urban heat islands, wind patterns, and elevation differences. > Due > to advances in interpolation algorithms, the map will pick up on small > differences that were previously missed. The map will be made available > on-line where it can be searched both by city and zip code. The on-line > map > will be clickable for more detailed climatic data to satisfy what the > research scientists called, "those pointy-head weather nerd types." > > Phase II of the project will involve overlay maps for other factors such > as > duration of cold, summer heat factors, and possibly air flow patterns. > It's > not often that I get excited about a government project, but this will be > a > huge improvement for our industry. Thanks both to the USDA-ARS for making > their resources available and for all of the committee members for their > time and input into the process. > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, NC 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony@plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdel.com/ > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three times" - Avent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:11:32 EDT > From: ConroeJoe@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate Zones > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <1c1.3431a4c5.3093ee04@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hey Gang, > > I sure enjoyed reading Lee's explanation of the USDA climate zones. > > Thanks Lee! > > > Cordially, > > Conroe Joe > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:48:40 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate Zones/'Cooling' at night > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <a45b45b4a3b46ad4fd04e474421fc032@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On Oct 28, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Susan Hayek wrote: > >>> Even >>> tomatoes stop producing new fruits during the peak hottest summer >>> months in Austin--because the nights never cool down enough to let >>> them >>> form. (They've bred a few special heat tolerant varieties that can do >>> it, and cherry tomatoes seem to already have that ability.) In >>> California, even in areas where the days are hotter in summer than in >>> Austin, the nights are still cooler and tomatoes fruit all summer >>> long. >> >> **I'm confused on the tomato thing. My parents lived in the >> California Central Valley for years (from 1952 on), Bakersfied, Taft, >> Fresno and Kerman (south portions of the Central Valley). Days can >> be well over 100F and nights may cool to 95-97F at 2 am. When I went >> over to help them I did the gardening after midnight. >> >> They always had the best tomatoes, the huge ones (and the best roses). >> So when we talk of nights 'cooling' how do we define 'cool'? Do we >> mean certain amount of degrees less than afternoon temps? Or do we >> mean a set temperature? >> > > First off, I believe the night time low temperature point above which > tomato fruits start having difficulty forming is around 70 or 71?F. If > it doesn't regularly drop below that temperature for long periods of > time, then no fruit form and 30 days later or however long it takes to > ripen, there won't be any fruit to ripen. Here is a PDF file from > Alabama that describes this facet of tomato growing and the new 'heat > set' tomato varieties that have been developed. > <http://aces.edu/department/com_veg/…> > > Here are the monthly average maximum and minimum temperatures for the > warmest months of the year for Bakersfield and Fresno, and for the > triangle of Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston (as well as Austin) in > Texas, which covers a much larger area than the south Central Valley of > California. Remember than each number is the average of approx. 30 low > or high temperatures (for each day in a given month) times 30 years > worth of data. I.e., each value is the average of about 900 individual > high or low temperatures measured during that month of the year. So of > course sometimes the low will be higher than this and sometimes the low > will be lower than this value. So it gives you an idea of about what > you can expect the low temperature will be on any given day of a given > month in that locality. > > Looking at the California lows (especially in July and August) and > comparing them with the Texas lows (for June, July, and August), even > though I'm sure there are days in the summer in Bakersfield or Fresno > where the low temperature didn't drop as low as the average, enough did > that the average, even in Bakersfield, even in July, is still below the > 70-71?F critical point. Another thing to keep in mind is that the > summertime temperatures in Texas are remarkably consistent day after > day year after year. They virtually never get any kind of cool front > all summer long. Morning after morning for weeks on end, the > temperature always drops to 72, 73, 74 or 75?F and no lower--not from > some time in June until sometime in September does it get any lower. > > May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct > > Bakersfield, California > 84.6 92.3 98.4 96.4 90.0 80.6 > 57.2 63.9 69.4 68.4 63.5 54.7 > > Fresno, California > 84.2 92.7 98.6 96.6 90.0 79.7 > 53.6 60.3 64.9 63.7 58.6 50.5 > > =============================================== > > May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct > > Austin, Texas > 84.6 91.0 95.0 95.4 90.5 82.0 > 66.4 71.4 73.8 73.8 69.8 59.9 > > Dallas, Texas > 82.8 91.8 96.4 96.1 87.8 78.4 > 62.6 70.0 73.9 73.6 66.7 55.8 > > Houston, Texas > 84.7 89.8 92.3 92.3 88.0 81.3 > 66.9 72.5 74.5 74.5 71.1 61.2 > > San Antonio, Texas > 85.3 91.8 95.0 95.2 89.2 81.7 > 65.7 72.5 74.8 74.5 69.1 58.6 > > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 10a > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:48:45 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate zones > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <941d96d1aa64a0c972e0eed3ffe3c0e8@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Wow, Tony. This is fantastic to hear about. I had my own little private > "uproar" when I saw that initial AHS draft version. > > Thanks for representing all of us "silent majority" stakeholders that > never get invited to any of these government meetings that affect us. > (I'm thinking of the "importing small lots of seeds" rule-making > meetings...) > > I can't wait till it comes out or online. Any idea of when the Phase I > map will appear? > > It would be really nice if the EU, Australia, New Zealand, South > Africa, Chile, Argentina, and China, for starters would submit their > temperature data to this project as well. I've seen a zone map of China > and of Australia that some people put together and a low resolution map > of Europe that someone made. But it would be nice to have full-blown > versions of these areas as well as of North America. And it would be > very informative to see true Zone maps of southern South America, South > Africa, and New Zealand as well. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 10a > > On Oct 28, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Tony Avent wrote: > >> John: >> >> Work on the new USDA map began on August 18, 2004. In 2003, a draft >> version was released by the American Horticulture Society which caused >> quite an uproar in the horticultural community. This revision would >> have >> done away with the "a" and "b" zone designations and would have been >> based >> on a fifteen year sample (1986-2001) of climatic data. By using a >> 15-year >> warm period sample, the draft map would have moved Chicago into zone 6 >> and >> made other such disastrous errors. >> >> Thanks to the support of Dr. Judy St. John of USDA-ARS, the map >> revision >> was put on hold until input from the stakeholders (government term for >> folks most affected by government decisions) could be gathered. The >> August >> 18 meeting included representatives from USDA- ARS, the American >> Horticulture Society, the American Association of Botanic Gardens and >> Arboreta, University Researchers, and representatives of the nursery >> industry. >> >> The project will consist of two phases. In Phase I, the map will be >> reconstructed using the most recent 30 years of average annual extreme >> minimum temperatures. The map will also retain the "a and b" >> designations. >> For the first time, the map will include a better breakdown of >> coastal/lake >> effects, urban heat islands, wind patterns, and elevation differences. >> Due >> to advances in interpolation algorithms, the map will pick up on small >> differences that were previously missed. The map will be made >> available >> on-line where it can be searched both by city and zip code. The >> on-line map >> will be clickable for more detailed climatic data to satisfy what the >> research scientists called, "those pointy-head weather nerd types." >> >> Phase II of the project will involve overlay maps for other factors >> such as >> duration of cold, summer heat factors, and possibly air flow patterns. >> It's >> not often that I get excited about a government project, but this will >> be a >> huge improvement for our industry. Thanks both to the USDA-ARS for >> making >> their resources available and for all of the committee members for >> their >> time and input into the process. >> Tony Avent > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:54:24 -0400 > From: Tony Avent <tony@plantdelights.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate zones > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20051028185424.015286a0@66.39.59.108> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Lee and Roy: > > Dr. Mark Widrlechner, who compiled the China hardiness map, is the > chairman of the committee. For years, I have kept files of everyones > posts > about an ideal hardiness map. These ideas have all been presented to the > committee. There is a lot of discussion about web customization > possibilities. It is hoped that the first map will be finished by years > end, but projects such as this move slowly. The next phase with all of > the > overlays will be a much more long term project, but one that everyone > agrees is quite important. The USDA-ARS staff hase been wonderful in > allowing their resouces to go to this project. Perhaps once the map is > complete, the UN might find this a useful project to complete worldwide > maps. I'll let everyone know when the maps are completed. > > > At 02:48 PM 10/28/2005 -0700, you wrote: >>Wow, Tony. This is fantastic to hear about. I had my own little private >>"uproar" when I saw that initial AHS draft version. >> >>Thanks for representing all of us "silent majority" stakeholders that >>never get invited to any of these government meetings that affect us. >>(I'm thinking of the "importing small lots of seeds" rule-making >>meetings...) > > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, NC 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony@plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdel.com/ > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three times" - Avent > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:54:14 -0700 > From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@telus.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Climate zones > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > <20051028225550.EHHV20262.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@ray> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 28 Oct 05 at 8:45, John Bryan wrote: > >> ...Roger Whitlock's remarks were also to the point, and I >> liked his remarks about being precise and assuming nothing, >> just how far are you Roger from the coast? > > Go down my driveway to the street, turn right, and within a > mile you're at the saltchuck. A ten-minute bicycle ride -- but > only going there, there's a steep downhill that you'd have to > walk back up! > > That's yet another factor to take into account: altitude. The > Sooke hills west of Victoria get snow regularly in winter down > to, say, the 1000' level (iow on their crests); at the same > time, here in Victoria proper it's only raining. I think we > escape regular snowfalls by the skin of our teeth. > > Yet another (micro)climatic factor: topography. Those very same > hills get up to around 2000' altitude or so and catch the > winter precipitation; we are in a rain shadow, one reason we're > so dry. > > And yet another: katabatics. How well does your property shed > cold air? I keep telling one hort buddy here who lives on a > west-facing hillside that he really ought to cut come drainage > passages in the privet hedge at the bottom of his garden to let > the cold air out. No, he doesn't, and he gets pooling of cold > air and localized freezing in consequence. My former swamp is a > low spot and the low parts of it are significantly frostier > than the ever-so-slightly higher parts even though we're > talking about less than half an acre, less than 300' distances. > > And then there are the imponderables. In 1988 I moved about two > miles from a banana belt to a slightly higher, colder, wetter > situation. I can't even begin to guess just what causes this > difference, but I know when I drive home, the street is often > dry until I'm about a quarter- or half-mile from home and then > it's suddenly wet, the line of demarcation being amazingly > sharp. > > And while I'm at it, let's not forget drainage. My backyard has > standing water after heavy winter rains, but twenty feet away, > right by the house, the perimeter drains keep the soil > dry allowing Teucrium fruticans, Convolvulus cneorum, Punica > granatum flore-pleno, Iris unguicularis, and Cytisus > battandieri to all thrive. Iris cretensis thrives (more or > less) raised just a foot above the squelch. > > For those of us on the left coast, the Sunset climatic zones > are far preferable to USDA hardiness zones, taking into account > as they do a great many more factors than just winter low > temperatures. > > >> ...Jim Shields remark regarding the temperature being lower >> in the country, than in the town was quite thought provoking. >> It made me wonder if being close to a major thoroughfare also >> had an influence. > > The heat island effect, very well known. > > >> I do think the climate is warming, but surely this has been >> going on for many years. Way back when the Thames river ( >> Roger I refer to the Thames in London, England, comprising >> parts of the counties of Kent, Middlesex, Essex and Surrey and >> a few others) used to freeze over and people walked across the >> Thames, this in the 17th ad 18th centuries. The ice was >> several feet thick. > > Hee-hee. You will be relieved to hear that there is also a > Thames in Ontario, though it's a much smaller stream, so your > specificity is not entirely out of place. > > And I wouldn't be surprised if there are Thameses in NZ, Oz, > and SA. > > [Eeeek: he abbreviated! Sinner!] > > > In summary: What this business of climate adds up to is a very > complex multi-factorial effect. That's why Sunset's system, > which is based on the observed performance of benchmark > plants, is so superior, even if it means our hypothetical > friend Joe Sixpack has to struggle to read a map and actually > pay some attention to his surroundings. Benchmarking doesn't > just mean hardiness, btw. It includes such factors as "What > bears fruit in this location? Apples? Lemons? Oranges? > Citrons?" (That last being the most tender citrus). > > Back to blubs: a local hardware store surprised me with > packages of Iris 'Katherine Hodgkin', Ipheion 'Rolf Fiedler', > and a white Ipheion. Amazing. > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:08:49 +1100 > From: Robert Hamilton <roberth6@mac.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Eulophias > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <75093ac958f9d79fc820fb5b87b2c755@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi Bonaventure and Jim, > > What medium do you use for growing Eulophia ? > > Cheers, > > Rob in Tasmania > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 33, Issue 32 > *********************************** >