Alstroemeria
Marc Rosenblum via pbs (Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:03:07 PDT)
Jane,
It was NEVER my intent to suggest that Alstroemerias are reliably hardy
in Zone7! My only intent was to caution Steve that he might loose them
if planted in SE Michigan without protection.
You asked where my info came from and I told you. I will agree that the
hardiness recommendations in any of those sources fails to account for
microclimates; and, tends to be conservative.
MarcR [zone 8b]
On 4/30/2022 12:00 PM, Jane McGary via pbs wrote:
I don't want to repeat my entire taped rant about hardiness "zones,"
so will only note that when I lived near Estacada, in the Cascade
foothills, an area Marc Rosenblum probably knows, my home appeared to
sit on the line between Zone 8 and Zone 1 on the USDA map. Most
winters the low was around 15 F, but about every fourth winter, colder
temperatures occurred, the lowest being minus 6 F in the historic cold
snap of 1990-91, which killed even some native plants all along the
Pacific coast. My doubts expressed in an earlier post are admittedly
subjective, based on a lifetime (75 come this July) of observation
from central California to interior Alaska and 9 plant-hunting visits
to western and Andean South America, as well as 30+ years of
optimistic, experimental gardening. Unlike Hortus III and the RHS, I'm
not using statistical methods, but the book "How To Lie with
Statistics" comes to mind.
I do want to correct myself: when I wrote A. pulchella, I meant A.
psittacina, which Garak's post mentions. Also note his phrase "for
single nights," which may mean that the soil did not freeze to the
depth of the tubers or even the growing points. Like many other
geophytes, alstros can delve deeply. I once dug down to see how A.
umbellata (a snow-zone central Andean) grew, and it was underneath
about 30 cm of loose, dry talus and another 15 cm of fine, slightly
moist sand (in January, the dry southern midsummer). That leads to
another topic, the influence of rocky habitat in providing moisture to
plants in arid climates, where fog or dew condenses on the rocks and
trickles down. Whatever the books tell you, that is not "baking."
Jane McGary, Portland, Oregon, USA
On 4/29/2022 11:24 PM, Marc Rosenblum via pbs wrote:
Jane,
I estimated that most Alstromerias have a hardiness threshold of
about 0 F [-18 C].
Garak's -11C falls well above that threshold. I based my estimate on
Sunset, L.H. Bailey's Hortus III, and the RHS garden Plant Index.
On 4/29/2022 8:53 PM, Garak via pbs wrote:
I can confirm that Ligtu hybrids, psittacinas and modern
horticultural hybrids can tolerate unprotected, snowless frost of
-11°C for single nights. Unlike the Ligtus, modern hybrids will lose
overground growth to late frosts, but usually return soon after. I
agree that my mixed winter climate is far more difficult for them
than true continental climate would be. The psittacina actually has
more problems with my dry summers, it's a really thirsty plant.
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