Somewhat off topic, but relevant to those of us who glean part of our income from our toils and tears. A new opportunity to find and market plant material is in it's infant stage and needs input from horticulturists across the country. This is a serious discussion of the gardening community coming together to pool resources, discuss individual needs and offer suggestions regarding how all of it may be accomplished. Please take a moment to kick the tires and leave an opinion. Thank you. Elizabeth http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/… ----- Original Message ----- From: <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (C.J. Teevan) > 2. Addendum to Pacific BX 164 (Dell Sherk) > 3. Re: Pacific BX 164 (Alberto Castillo) > 4. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (J.E. Shields) > 5. Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg) > 6. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Douglas Westfall) > 7. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg) > 8. Dahlia imperialis (lauw de Jager) > 9. Re: Dahlia imperialis (Kenneth Hixson) > 10. seed germination (piaba) > 11. Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU > (Iain Brodie of Falsyde) > 12. Re: seed germination (Alberto Castillo) > 13. Re: Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU > (Lee Poulsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:11:14 -0800 (PST) > From: "C.J. Teevan" <gardenstreet184@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <955413.57557.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Another gardener asked me last week if I had ever seen any Peruvian > Daffodils (Hymenocallis) sold or grown in any colors other than White or > Yellow. Simply because he asked, I thought maybe he knew something I > didn't... .so I went to one of my favorite bulb suppliers and asked the > same question; they haven't seen anything in say Pink or Red. Before I > sign off on this, possibly someone would please confirm that this is the > right answer? Because if this group hasn't grown or studied it, it > probably does not exist. > > Catherine T., New York > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:11:44 -0500 > From: "Dell Sherk" <dells@voicenet.com> > Subject: [pbs] Addendum to Pacific BX 164 > To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>, "'c'" > <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>, <DavBouch5@aol.com>, "'Macfarlane'" > <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>, "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>, "'Mark > Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>, "Pat Colville" > <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>, "PBS list" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, > "The Masterson Family" <masterson4@cox.net> > Message-ID: <20080205121159.3283D4C01D@lists.ibiblio.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Please add the following to the list of offerings to BX 164: > > > >From Alberto Castillo: > > > > 21. Fresh seed of Zephyranthes primulina. > > > > Best wishes, > > Dell > > > > Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:20:49 +0000 > From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 164 > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <BLU104-W481F37D8B77AFCAC5B6E20AE2C0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Dear all: > > Perhaps it woud be of interest to add a few comments to this > material sent for the BX. > Seed is all fresh, some just harvested >> 3. Gladiolus sp. probably segetum, very hardy Eurasian (W), from wild >> collected plants> > 4. Gladiolus illyricus from wild parent plants, very >> hardy (W), from wild collectd plants> > 5. Gladiolus communis ssp. >> Byzantinus, very hardy (W), from wild collected plants >> > 6. Iris xiphium ssp. Lusitanicum, dainly golden yellow wild form, (W) >> > from wild plants> > 7. Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower (W), the >> > region is citrus country> > 8. Herbertia caerulea (W), the form from >> > Texas, quite hardy, received as "Alophia drummondii"> > 9. Cypella >> > coelestis (W), from wild collected plants, sugarcane country> > 10. >> > Cooperia smallii (W), from wild collected plants> > 11. Habranthus >> > martinezi (W), several different forms, some pink. Very floriforus in >> > flushes. An easy species, very lng lived and adaptable. >> > 12. Aristolochia fimbriata (S), this is a tuberous nativa Aristolochia, >> > very attractive round reniform leaves, some plants have plain green >> > leaves, others with broad silver veining, rivalling the best Asarums. >> > Sow individually and pot on as they grow as tubers are pretty fragile. >> > This is not a climber but a short trailing plant. In the wild zones >> > 9-10 but could be hardier. Semishade, shade or full sun for part of the >> > day. >> > 13. Tropaeolum pentaphyllum, (W) there is a comprehensive introduction >> > at the PBS wiki, details there. Sow upon receipt, seeds must be dry >> > off.> > 14. Ranunculus macranthus (W), a spectacular species form >> > Texas. Like a half sized yellow garden Ranunculus, if faded flowers are >> > removed, blooming season is two whole months or more. Sow seeds without >> > delay. Fresh seeds. Seeds stored for some time did not germinate. > > >> > 15. Leucojum autumnale var. oporanthum, true from the wild (W), from >> > wild collected plants. > > 16. Canna, dwarf sp., (S) a dwarf (60 cm. >> > tall) species received from a Botanic Garden as "C. tuerckheimii", >> > which is obviously inst't. Fresh seed. > > 17. Arum euxinum, (W), this >> > was received from Kew years ago. I had my doubts as it looks like >> > hygrophilum a lot but an aroid specialis saw it las Deember and said it >> > is the true euxinum, off it goes, enjoy. Just harvested. > > 18. >> > Bulblets of Allium canadense, very good form (W) selected from wild >> > plants in Texas. The > se are the bulblets that are produced in the umbels along with normal > flowers. > > 19. Small tubers of Dioscorea sp., winter dormant (S), a > lovely dwarf climber that could be quite hardy, with cordate lance shaped > leaves that turn orange in autumn. > Zephyranthes primulina, (S), one of the best of all. Here it flowers non > stop for three months or more in full sun and big containers. Just > harvested. This is one of the few species bullet proof and to start with. > > > > With best wishes > _________________________________________________________________ > ?Aburrido? Ingres? ya y divertite como nunca en MSN Juegos. > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:54:56 -0500 > From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20080205085243.0282d480@pop.indy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi all, > > Hymenocallis and Ismene flowers come only in white and yellow, although a > few have a lot of green in the tepals (petals + sepals). > > Jim Shields > in central Indiana (USA) > > > At 08:11 PM 2/4/2008 -0800, you wrote: >>Another gardener asked me last week if I had ever seen any Peruvian >>Daffodils (Hymenocallis) sold or grown in any colors other than White or >>Yellow. Simply because he asked, I thought maybe he knew something I >>didn't... .so I went to one of my favorite bulb suppliers and asked the >>same question; they haven't seen anything in say Pink or Red. Before I >>sign off on this, possibly someone would please confirm that this is the >>right answer? Because if this group hasn't grown or studied it, it >>probably does not exist. >> >> Catherine T., New York > > ************************************************* > Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. > P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ > Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA > Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:12:10 -0500 > From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com> > Subject: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <47A9096A.10605@nj.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have added and infrared image of Arum palaestinum taken during my > home energy audit. The auditor was kind enough to amuse me and take an > image. As you can see the spathe is hotter than the surrounding area > presumably to attract pollinators such as flies. > > Arnold > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:53:00 -0800 > From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <2E85D120-8FD3-4237-A8C6-486970477D38@flash.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Arnold, > > That is extremely interesting. Mine are growing very well right now, > but it is so cold here in So. CA that I don't expect a bloom for some > time. > > Doug Westfall > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:35:06 -0500 > From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <47A91CDA.6050801@nj.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Doug: > > I remember seeing a video hook up from one of the Botanical gardens in > the states and in addition to the video feed there was a infrared feed > showing the temperature of the emerging spathe of an Amorphophallus > titanum. They were able to predict the flowering time based on the > temperature rise of the spathe. > > Arnold > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:35:53 +0100 > From: lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com> > Subject: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <C3CF3E09.961%dejager@bulbargence.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Dear all, > I recently read a french article on the tree dahlia, which states that D > imperialis and D arborescens are two sep?rate species (I allways assumed > that they are synonymous). The article states : > D arborea (syn D excelsia): 4-6 m high (15-20ft) colour "pale purple" > D. imperialis: 2-3 high colour very pale, with pink towards the center. > > Can anyone confirm whether this statement is correct. I cannot find any > useful reference with Google on this species > (The species I have here is 4-6 m high with pale pink flowers.) > > Look forward to any opinion on the matter > Greetings > > -- Lauw de Jager > Bulb'Argence > South of France (zone 9 (olive trees) > emailto: dejager@bulbargence.com > Site http://www.bulbargence.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:52:18 -0800 > From: Kenneth Hixson <khixson@nu-world.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <47AA01E2.90509@nu-world.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > lauw >> I recently read a french article on the tree dahlia, which states that D >> imperialis and D arborescens are two sep?rate species > > John Bryan's "Bulbs" gives D. arborescens as a synonym > of D. imperialis > > Gareth Rowlands "Gardner's Guide to Growing Dahlias" > doesn't list D. arborescens at all. > > Ken > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0800 (PST) > From: piaba <piabinha@yahoo.com> > Subject: [pbs] seed germination > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <580223.24300.qm@web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > hi alberto, do you have any suggestions on how to > germinate irid seeds? i have not had any luck with > Habranthus, Gelasine and Cypella from the BX in the > past. thanks for any suggestions. > > --- Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> > wrote: >> Perhaps it woud be of interest to add a >> few comments to this material sent for the BX. >> Seed is all fresh, some just harvested >> Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower (W), the >> region is citrus country >> > 9. Cypella coelestis (W), >> from wild collected plants, sugarcane country > > ========= > tsuh yang > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:34:19 -0000 > From: "Iain Brodie of Falsyde" <auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk> > Subject: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <01a601c868f7$45000860$0701a8c0@homepc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Folks I don't know if this is of any interest or use to members on this > forum but > perhaps it might be worth scoping amongst yourselves. > > As the person responsible for the management of Auchgourish Botanic Garden > [ABG] I am > on behalf of the garden and in my own capacity one of the very few > registered with the Scottish > government authorities to import and export living botanical material > following registration that > is almost finalised here. This registration is to be limited to plants > known as Monocots, > i.e. bulbs, corms and such. There is a small quarantine facility here, > which although currently > filled with species Liliums, Cardiocrinum, Nomocharis and Notholirion > should be free again from > 1st April this year. What prompted me to make this suggestion was a recent > posting along the > lines of " they won't let me have ??????? from the UK ". I think this is > rather more to do with the > sheer hassle and grief, not without some justification, by the US > authorities over incoming to the > USA and all the effort required that goes along with it, washing roots, > etc, etc. > > Now I am not inviting a veritable stampede but if there are really special > material needed by folks > who are unable to secure them in north America then we can coordinate in a > way that allows me to > do things in batches and by that means keep costs down by way of shipping > PHYTO certificates, > etc there are some possibilities here to be of help. > > Thinking out loud with the caveat that the system would need to be checked > as feasible, which I am > sure it is, then e.g. if for instance three people had sourced plants in > either this country and or England, > did the required deals to pay direct to the suppliers, these could be sent > here in the first instance at a > roughly similar date. I would prepare them for inspect and hopefully the > issuing of a Phyto certificate > and thereafter pack them as USDA requires, send them down to either > Edinburgh or Glasgow by > courier and then flown over to those buying them. I have three caveats of > my own, [a] I don't want paid > for my efforts, and [b] don't want to incur any lost costs......... I am > Scots after all, and [c] this would > be subject to the quarantine facilities, not very big. not being locked up > into things coming in to us here. > > In simple terms this would need one consignor and one nominated recipient > at the Canadian or US end, > from where the recipient named would then take over sending them on to > their final destination[s]. This > is not intended as a bulk consignment thing, just special "hard to get" > species or cultivars. I would also > ensure that the plants on arrival here from which ever nursery you buy > them from are satisfactory in terms > of health but could not take on responsibility to verify them as true to > name or species, they will obviously > mostly be in a dormant stage anyway. > > Just thoughts from the desk of Iain as I know e.g how hard I have had to > hassle to secure two of this and > two of that, etc in the Lily, Iris and Paeone world. > > Have a chat amongst yourselves, if of no interest no harm done and no > offence taken. > > Iain > > Iain Brodie of Falsyde > Auchgourish Botanic Garden & Arboretum > auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:44:42 +0000 > From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] seed germination > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <BLU104-W40C3DACE163BBF8AFD6B67AE2D0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi Tsuh: > Seeds from this part of the world must be sown without delay and > watered even if time before normal germination season. This is because > they never experience a period of real drought in the wild (year round > rainfall), like Mediterranean or other climate bulbs. We do so, sow after > harvesting and germination is like grass (in due course), the goal being > not to let the seed dry off. > > These seeds were harvested in these last weeks and germination > should be 100%. Of course, no germination outdoors in Wisconsin if they > originally come from sugarcane country! > > > With best wishes. > Alberto > > > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0800> From: piabinha@yahoo.com> To: > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] seed germination> > hi alberto, do > > you have any suggestions on how to> germinate irid seeds? i have not had > > any luck with> Habranthus, Gelasine and Cypella from the BX in the> > > past. thanks for any suggestions.> > --- Alberto Castillo > > <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>> wrote:> > Perhaps it woud be of interest to > > add a> > few comments to this material sent for the BX.> > Seed is all > > fresh, some just harvested> > Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower > > (W), the> > region is citrus country> > > 9. Cypella coelestis (W),> > > > from wild collected plants, sugarcane country> > =========> tsuh yang> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > > it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8… > > > > _______________________________________________> pbs mail > ing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > _________________________________________________________________ > ?Aburrido? Ingres? ya y divertite como nunca en MSN Juegos. > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:56:25 -0800 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the > EU > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <47AA10E9.5000609@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Wow, Iain, what an offer! I have both a small lots seed import permit > and a regular plant import permit. The single most difficult thing to > obtain when wanting to get a plant (and now bulbs) from overseas, is a > phytosanitary certificate. Because that is really all that is required > to accompany a plant or bulb that is being imported to the U.S. from > overseas. The plant import permit is issued to anyone residing in the > U.S. for free and lasts 5 years before needing renewal (also free). I > live relatively near one of the main import inspection stations (which > is near the Los Angeles Airport) so I don't have to deal much with the > problem of getting the plants from the inspection station to my home. > > But the phytosanitary certificate problem has always been the primary > and serious obstacle to importing plants and now bulbs from overseas, in > my experience. It seems, and my experience has been, that our APHIS > inspectors here, don't much care what gets imported, as long as it isn't > on the forbidden list and is observationally disease- and pest-free. And > it is accompanied by a phyto. They then will very nearly immediately > release it as soon as they inspect it. I've never had anything > quarantined. They seem to put great stock in that phyto piece of paper. > > What are your feelings about having things from outside the UK sent to > you (that the UK allows to be imported, such as from other EU countries) > and then sent from you to here with the phyto issued in the UK? The > agent I've dealt with only seem to care that a phyto be included in the > package no matter who did the inspection before arriving in the U.S. > > I hope you don't get swamped. > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a > > > Iain Brodie of Falsyde wrote: >> Folks I don't know if this is of any interest or use to members on this >> forum but >> perhaps it might be worth scoping amongst yourselves. >> >> >> Now I am not inviting a veritable stampede but if there are really >> special material needed by folks >> who are unable to secure them in north America then we can coordinate in >> a way that allows me to >> do things in batches and by that means keep costs down by way of shipping >> PHYTO certificates, >> etc there are some possibilities here to be of help. >> >> Thinking out loud with the caveat that the system would need to be >> checked as feasible, which I am >> sure it is, then e.g. if for instance three people had sourced plants in >> either this country and or England, >> did the required deals to pay direct to the suppliers, these could be >> sent here in the first instance at a >> roughly similar date. I would prepare them for inspect and hopefully the >> issuing of a Phyto certificate >> and thereafter pack them as USDA requires, send them down to either >> Edinburgh or Glasgow by >> courier and then flown over to those buying them. I have three caveats of >> my own, [a] I don't want paid >> for my efforts, and [b] don't want to incur any lost costs......... I am >> Scots after all, and [c] this would >> be subject to the quarantine facilities, not very big. not being locked >> up into things coming in to us here. >> >> >> Just thoughts from the desk of Iain as I know e.g how hard I have had to >> hassle to secure two of this and >> two of that, etc in the Lily, Iris and Paeone world. >> >> Have a chat amongst yourselves, if of no interest no harm done and no >> offence taken. >> >> Iain >> >> Iain Brodie of Falsyde >> Auchgourish Botanic Garden & Arboretum >> auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4 > **********************************
