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Today's Topics:

1. Tripladenia (lucgbulot@aol.com)
2. Re: Tripladenia (Arnold Trachtenberg)
3. Re: Tripladenia (Jim McKenney)
4. Re: Sprekelia howardii (Douglas Westfall)
5. Questions concerning Sprekelia howardii (Douglas Westfall)
6. Re: Sprekelia howardii (Tim Harvey)
7. Re: Tripladenia (Hannon)
8. Re: A polar View (M Ashley-Cooper)
9. Re: Sprekelia (M Ashley-Cooper)
10. S howardii SNA (B.J.M. Zonneveld)
11. Re: S howardii SNA (Douglas Westfall)
12. bounces (piaba)
13. Change my e-mail address (Roy Sachs)
14. Re: bounces (Kenneth Hixson)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:52:00 -0500
From: lucgbulot@aol.com
Subject: [pbs] Tripladenia
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Hi all,

Many thanks to all who contributed to answer my former questions... Here is another one...

Loooking at the APG 2 web pages today to see the updates to the phylogenetic classification of Liliales, I noticed among the Colchicaceae the genus Triplandenia. None of the database I usualy use seems to know that genus (mobot.org, ipni.org).

Anybody as a clue about whoe are the author(s) of the genus and its content ?

Thanks in advance,

Luc

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:12:55 -0500
From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Tripladenia
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <47B8B167.70409@nj.rr.com>
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Luc:

From Kubitzki " The Families and Genera of Vascular", Vol. III
Flowering Plants Monocotyledons

Tripladenia D. Don, Proc. Linn. Soc. Lond. 1: 46 (1839); Clifford and
Conran, Fl. Australia 45; 416 (1987)

"Erect herb with a knotty scaly rhizome. Leaves distichous,
ovate-lanceolate, with half clasping cordate base.
Flowers pedicellate, solitary or few together in axillary pedunculate
cymes. Perianth pink or mauve; tepals discrete, basally with stalked
nectariferous glands. Anthers extrorse. Style simple below, 3 branched
above. Capsule loculicidal, pyriform-rounded, somewhat fleshy; seeds
globose, strophiolate. 2n = 14. Only one species T. cunninghamii D.
Don, confined to rain forest and wet sclerophyll forest of eastern
Australia. ( Previously often confused with Schelhammera multiflora, q.v.)

Arnold

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:16:05 -0500
From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Tripladenia
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c871b2$b1547a00$2f01a8c0@Library>
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A quick Google search shows that it is a monotypic genus from Australia,
placed variously in the Convallariaceae, Colchicaceae, or Uvulariaceae. The
one species is T. cunninghamii. One local name is bush lily. One map I saw
seemed to show a widely disjunct distribution: one population in far
northern Australia and another larger area of distribution in eastern
Australia. There are images on the web - just Google a bit.

When you search, check your spelling. In your subject line you used
Tripladenia, in the body of your message you used Triplandenia. Tripladenia
is in ipni.

Jim McKenney
jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com
Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the first winter
aconites have finally opened.
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Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:24:34 -0800
From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia howardii
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <B5F6BB89-41E1-440B-826D-3F08BD610195@flash.net>
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"Thanks Doug,
I've done the same thing myself, but in the case where some
characteristics are strongly dominant, I'm keen to try and find a way
to determine that the plants really did self.

I guess karyotyping would be one option."

I guess that we must await some "scientific research and/or the
maturity of our seedlings.

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:52:02 -0800
From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net>
Subject: [pbs] Questions concerning Sprekelia howardii
To: IBSMEMBERS@yahoogroups.com, Pacific Bulb Society
<pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <DEF9A24B-678B-4DF2-8621-B735209B240D@flash.net>
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With the comments being a little "lopsided" in favor of those who
question the process of microwaving pollen to encourage bulbs which
tend to be "self sterile", I am reminded of another "discussion"
several years ago when I was questioned about a miniature Scadoxus
puniceus in my collection. I was told that there is no such Scadoxus
in the literature and thus, I must be "wrong" or mistaken.

Well, I now have three clones of the "miniature" Scadoxus, and Dr
Koopowitz has two clones. I was never "shaken" by the "nay-sayers",
and now I know that I was/am right.

There were those who questioned my Scadoxus puniceus alba. Now there
are those out there who have them.

I also have a variegated Veltheimia bracteata lemon flame. I have been
admonished that it is just "badly virused". It is now eight years in
my garden with NO virus spread, many seedlings all variegated with NO
throwbacks, and it is just a beautiful as ever.

In a year or two, I hope to have another "new" bulb that will be
questioned. Well, seeing is believing. The Creator's variety of types
and forms is beyond my comprehension!!!

Not "doubting" Doug

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:10:50 -0800
From: Tim Harvey <zigur@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia howardii
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W30C1D584022E5575B6B619BC200@phx.gbl>
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It may take longer than that.

Apparently some species of Aloe (not a bulb, sorry!) are so dominant in hybrids it is not possible to tell plants are actually hybrids by visual inspection of form or flowers.

When said plants are crossed within the F1 group, the subsequent variation in the progeny indicates the parents were themselves hybrids.

T> From: eagle85@flash.net> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:24:34 -0800> Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia howardii> > "Thanks Doug,> I've done the same thing myself, but in the case where some > characteristics are strongly dominant, I'm keen to try and find a way > to determine that the plants really did self.> > I guess karyotyping would be one option."> > I guess that we must await some "scientific research and/or the > maturity of our seedlings.> _______________________________________________> pbs mailing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:04:13 -0800
From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Tripladenia
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:
<8e8da5260802172004r720db4f5v189c0c3fe12ae392@mail.gmail.com>
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Luc,
I have found this to be a somewhat recalcitrant species in that it is slow
and never demonstrates real vigor. I grow two different clones. Have not
tried it outdoors yet but am growing it as a warm tropical subject in plenty
of shade. I can't recall having flowered it. Outdoor cultivation (Los
Angeles) might prove helpful.

A better plant in my experience, also in the Convallariaceae, that comes
from the same part of the world and recalls Tripladenia in overall aspect is
Schelhammera multiflora. It produces starry white flowers on a bushy plant
that has more vigor and is also rather slow. The new leaves are
bronze-tinted. Unfortunately I lost it some years ago.

I would exhort all members to keep an eye out for other plants in this
family that remain obscure but are very worthy of cultivation, such as
species of Tupistra, Gonioscypha and Peliosanthes. They are really not
geophytes but evergreen perennials.

Dylan

On Feb 17, 2008 1:52 PM, <lucgbulot@aol.com> wrote:

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:41:06 -0500
From: "M Ashley-Cooper" <m.ashley.cooper@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] A polar View
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <002001c870a9$fa2e4760$1266cb47@mykecbcb148b69>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

As an ex-Capetonian, the thought of living further north than Florida fills me with horror as I could never grow any of my favorite bulbs or vines! It's been bad enough having ice on 2 mornings here in Tallahassee since we arrived in November!

----- Original Message -----
From: David Ryle
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [pbs] A polar View

Greetings all,
With all due respect, anyone living in Maryland should only utter the word "Polar" in no more than a sibilant whisper.

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:05:11 -0500
From: "M Ashley-Cooper" <m.ashley.cooper@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <011201c87101$41714f30$1266cb47@mykecbcb148b69>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Website?

----- Original Message -----
From: Hannon
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Sprekelia

I have listed this species in my 2008 summer bulb list. They are sturdy
seedlings several years old. Requests for this list are welcome (US orders
only), please send a private request to me at othonna<at>gmail<dot>com. Also
on this list are rare species of Dandya, Hymenocallis, Rauhia and
Stenomesson, most with locality information. A winter grower list is also
available but these will not be shipped until June of this year.
I find S. howardii easy to grow here outdoors in Los Angeles so long as it
is kept out of winter rains. It starts growth in early summer and finishes
in late fall so do not expect spring activity-- as with geophytes from the
monsoon climate areas of Mexico generally. Its hysteranthous habit (flowers
appearing above bare soil before the leaves) is very appealing and the
flowers are large compared to the plant overall and blood red. Bulbs are
more like Rhodophiala or Zephyranthes in being subterranean with a long
neck; foliage is also distinct from S. formosissima in being uniformly
narrower, darker and with some red tinting. S. howardii grows in hot dry
canyons at lower elevations than S. formosissima.

It is a fine species, recognized decades ago by Thad as distinctive, and I
am pleased to be able to offer it.

Dylan
Dylan Hannon Rare Bulbs

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:19:17 +0100
From: "B.J.M. Zonneveld" <B.J.M.Zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl>
Subject: [pbs] S howardii SNA
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:
<8E19E8A2233ED74D8483ACF3FBB3603B016DC6E8@iblmail.ibl.leidenuniv.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Doug
There is a difference in nuclear DNA content between S howardii
(diploid, as tested from J Shields plant) and S formossisima (tetraploid
and hexaploid) So just send me a fresh leaf of both the parent and the
seedling and I will tell you wether or not you seedlings are true or
hybrids

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:41:55 -0800
From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] S howardii SNA
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <4F20051F-3470-43E0-A4B5-C954AE71D624@flash.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Dr. Zonneveld,

What a generous offer! Please send your mailing address, and I'll
send it right away.

With kind regards,

Doug

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:04:10 -0800 (PST)
From: piaba <piabinha@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pbs] bounces
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <660947.56433.qm@web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

hmmm... i don't know what to do. why am i getting
bounced from this list regularly? i'm not the one
writing about naked ladies!!!!

--- pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

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tsuh yang

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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:10:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Sachs <roysachs@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pbs] Change my e-mail address
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <426231.5664.qm@web53707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Yahoo has been bouncing some messages from PBS, hence I would like PBS@lists.biblio.org to change
to the following e-address,

sachsroy@gmail.com

Thank you

Roy Sachs

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:12:04 -0800
From: Kenneth Hixson <khixson@nu-world.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] bounces
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <47B9D884.6040101@nu-world.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

piaba wrote:

"Bouncing" isn't anything to do with censorship--
your ISP provides a certain amount of computer storage
space for each account, and after that amount is filled,
the ISP's computer automatically refuses to accept more
messages--incoming mail is "bounced", meaning returned
to the sending computer. In effect, your ISP says "there
isn't room for any more messages". The sending computer
will automatically resend the message after a certain number
of hours, and will do so a certain number of times, which
can be adjusted by the administrators. Once the set numbers
are exceeded, the account is inactivated and the sending
computer no longer tries to send to that address.

If you've received a lot of email you haven't
downloaded from your ISP--even one large JPG file for
instance, incoming mail may be "bounced". Empty your
email account at your ISP, then notify the sending computer--
in this case pbs. If the problem doesn't clear up, try
re-establishing the account. Sometimes things on computers
get corrupted-just one 1 becoming a 0 will do it.

If you can't empty your account regularly, you can
also arrange with your ISP to get more storage for your
email account--usually at extra cost.

Ken

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