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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (C.J. Teevan)
2. Addendum to Pacific BX 164 (Dell Sherk)
3. Re: Pacific BX 164 (Alberto Castillo)
4. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (J.E. Shields)
5. Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg)
6. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Douglas Westfall)
7. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg)
8. Dahlia imperialis (lauw de Jager)
9. Re: Dahlia imperialis (Kenneth Hixson)
10. seed germination (piaba)
11. Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
(Iain Brodie of Falsyde)
12. Re: seed germination (Alberto Castillo)
13. Re: Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
(Lee Poulsen)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:11:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "C.J. Teevan" <gardenstreet184@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <955413.57557.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Another gardener asked me last week if I had ever seen any Peruvian
Daffodils (Hymenocallis) sold or grown in any colors other than White or
Yellow. Simply because he asked, I thought maybe he knew something I
didn't... .so I went to one of my favorite bulb suppliers and asked the
same question; they haven't seen anything in say Pink or Red. Before I
sign off on this, possibly someone would please confirm that this is the
right answer? Because if this group hasn't grown or studied it, it
probably does not exist.

Catherine T., New York

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:11:44 -0500
From: "Dell Sherk" <dells@voicenet.com>
Subject: [pbs] Addendum to Pacific BX 164
To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>, "'c'"
<CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>, <DavBouch5@aol.com>, "'Macfarlane'"
<macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>, "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>, "'Mark
Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>, "Pat Colville"
<Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>, "PBS list" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>,
"The Masterson Family" <masterson4@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20080205121159.3283D4C01D@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Please add the following to the list of offerings to BX 164:

From Alberto Castillo:

21. Fresh seed of Zephyranthes primulina.

Best wishes,

Dell

Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:20:49 +0000
From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 164
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <BLU104-W481F37D8B77AFCAC5B6E20AE2C0@phx.gbl>
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Dear all:

Perhaps it woud be of interest to add a few comments to this
material sent for the BX.
Seed is all fresh, some just harvested

se are the bulblets that are produced in the umbels along with normal
flowers. > > 19. Small tubers of Dioscorea sp., winter dormant (S), a
lovely dwarf climber that could be quite hardy, with cordate lance shaped
leaves that turn orange in autumn.
Zephyranthes primulina, (S), one of the best of all. Here it flowers non
stop for three months or more in full sun and big containers. Just
harvested. This is one of the few species bullet proof and to start with.

With best wishes
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:54:56 -0500
From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20080205085243.0282d480@pop.indy.net>
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Hi all,

Hymenocallis and Ismene flowers come only in white and yellow, although a
few have a lot of green in the tepals (petals + sepals).

Jim Shields
in central Indiana (USA)

At 08:11 PM 2/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:

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P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/
Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA
Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:12:10 -0500
From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com>
Subject: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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I have added and infrared image of Arum palaestinum taken during my
home energy audit. The auditor was kind enough to amuse me and take an
image. As you can see the spathe is hotter than the surrounding area
presumably to attract pollinators such as flies.

Arnold

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/…

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:53:00 -0800
From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Arnold,

That is extremely interesting. Mine are growing very well right now,
but it is so cold here in So. CA that I don't expect a bloom for some
time.

Doug Westfall

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:35:06 -0500
From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Doug:

I remember seeing a video hook up from one of the Botanical gardens in
the states and in addition to the video feed there was a infrared feed
showing the temperature of the emerging spathe of an Amorphophallus
titanum. They were able to predict the flowering time based on the
temperature rise of the spathe.

Arnold

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:35:53 +0100
From: lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com>
Subject: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <C3CF3E09.961%dejager@bulbargence.com>
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Dear all,
I recently read a french article on the tree dahlia, which states that D
imperialis and D arborescens are two sep?rate species (I allways assumed
that they are synonymous). The article states :
D arborea (syn D excelsia): 4-6 m high (15-20ft) colour "pale purple"
D. imperialis: 2-3 high colour very pale, with pink towards the
center.

Can anyone confirm whether this statement is correct. I cannot find any
useful reference with Google on this species
(The species I have here is 4-6 m high with pale pink flowers.)

Look forward to any opinion on the matter
Greetings

-- Lauw de Jager
Bulb'Argence
South of France (zone 9 (olive trees)
emailto: dejager@bulbargence.com
Site http://www.bulbargence.com/

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:52:18 -0800
From: Kenneth Hixson <khixson@nu-world.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <47AA01E2.90509@nu-world.com>
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lauw

John Bryan's "Bulbs" gives D. arborescens as a synonym
of D. imperialis

Gareth Rowlands "Gardner's Guide to Growing Dahlias"
doesn't list D. arborescens at all.

Ken

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0800 (PST)
From: piaba <piabinha@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pbs] seed germination
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <580223.24300.qm@web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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hi alberto, do you have any suggestions on how to
germinate irid seeds? i have not had any luck with
Habranthus, Gelasine and Cypella from the BX in the
past. thanks for any suggestions.

--- Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
wrote:

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:34:19 -0000
From: "Iain Brodie of Falsyde" <auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk>
Subject: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Folks I don't know if this is of any interest or use to members on this
forum but
perhaps it might be worth scoping amongst yourselves.

As the person responsible for the management of Auchgourish Botanic
Garden
[ABG] I am
on behalf of the garden and in my own capacity one of the very few
registered with the Scottish
government authorities to import and export living botanical material
following registration that
is almost finalised here. This registration is to be limited to plants
known as Monocots,
i.e. bulbs, corms and such. There is a small quarantine facility here,
which although currently
filled with species Liliums, Cardiocrinum, Nomocharis and Notholirion
should be free again from
1st April this year. What prompted me to make this suggestion was a
recent
posting along the
lines of " they won't let me have ??????? from the UK ". I think this is
rather more to do with the
sheer hassle and grief, not without some justification, by the US
authorities over incoming to the
USA and all the effort required that goes along with it, washing roots,
etc, etc.

Now I am not inviting a veritable stampede but if there are really
special
material needed by folks
who are unable to secure them in north America then we can coordinate in
a
way that allows me to
do things in batches and by that means keep costs down by way of shipping
PHYTO certificates,
etc there are some possibilities here to be of help.

Thinking out loud with the caveat that the system would need to be
checked
as feasible, which I am
sure it is, then e.g. if for instance three people had sourced plants in
either this country and or England,
did the required deals to pay direct to the suppliers, these could be
sent
here in the first instance at a
roughly similar date. I would prepare them for inspect and hopefully the
issuing of a Phyto certificate
and thereafter pack them as USDA requires, send them down to either
Edinburgh or Glasgow by
courier and then flown over to those buying them. I have three caveats of
my own, [a] I don't want paid
for my efforts, and [b] don't want to incur any lost costs......... I am
Scots after all, and [c] this would
be subject to the quarantine facilities, not very big. not being locked
up
into things coming in to us here.

In simple terms this would need one consignor and one nominated recipient
at the Canadian or US end,
from where the recipient named would then take over sending them on to
their final destination[s]. This
is not intended as a bulk consignment thing, just special "hard to get"
species or cultivars. I would also
ensure that the plants on arrival here from which ever nursery you buy
them from are satisfactory in terms
of health but could not take on responsibility to verify them as true to
name or species, they will obviously
mostly be in a dormant stage anyway.

Just thoughts from the desk of Iain as I know e.g how hard I have had to
hassle to secure two of this and
two of that, etc in the Lily, Iris and Paeone world.

Have a chat amongst yourselves, if of no interest no harm done and no
offence taken.

Iain

Iain Brodie of Falsyde
Auchgourish Botanic Garden & Arboretum
auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:44:42 +0000
From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] seed germination
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <BLU104-W40C3DACE163BBF8AFD6B67AE2D0@phx.gbl>
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Hi Tsuh:
Seeds from this part of the world must be sown without delay
and
watered even if time before normal germination season. This is because
they never experience a period of real drought in the wild (year round
rainfall), like Mediterranean or other climate bulbs. We do so, sow after
harvesting and germination is like grass (in due course), the goal being
not to let the seed dry off.

These seeds were harvested in these last weeks and germination
should be 100%. Of course, no germination outdoors in Wisconsin if they
originally come from sugarcane country!

With best wishes.
Alberto

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:56:25 -0800
From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the
EU
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Wow, Iain, what an offer! I have both a small lots seed import permit
and a regular plant import permit. The single most difficult thing to
obtain when wanting to get a plant (and now bulbs) from overseas, is a
phytosanitary certificate. Because that is really all that is required
to accompany a plant or bulb that is being imported to the U.S. from
overseas. The plant import permit is issued to anyone residing in the
U.S. for free and lasts 5 years before needing renewal (also free). I
live relatively near one of the main import inspection stations (which
is near the Los Angeles Airport) so I don't have to deal much with the
problem of getting the plants from the inspection station to my home.

But the phytosanitary certificate problem has always been the primary
and serious obstacle to importing plants and now bulbs from overseas, in
my experience. It seems, and my experience has been, that our APHIS
inspectors here, don't much care what gets imported, as long as it isn't
on the forbidden list and is observationally disease- and pest-free. And
it is accompanied by a phyto. They then will very nearly immediately
release it as soon as they inspect it. I've never had anything
quarantined. They seem to put great stock in that phyto piece of paper.

What are your feelings about having things from outside the UK sent to
you (that the UK allows to be imported, such as from other EU countries)
and then sent from you to here with the phyto issued in the UK? The
agent I've dealt with only seem to care that a phyto be included in the
package no matter who did the inspection before arriving in the U.S.

I hope you don't get swamped.
--Lee Poulsen
Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a

Iain Brodie of Falsyde wrote:

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