All my plants are from seed from our esteemed members the Saunders or the McMasters (plus K. hirsuta from P. Kelaidis, collected at Naude's Nek), and as I understand it most are wild-collected (K. bruceae isn't, I know). I don't grow K. rooperi or sarmentosa, though, those seeming to be the main subject of discussion. I have collection sites for a few, not all. Ellen Ellen Hornig Seneca Hill Perennials 3712 County Route 57 Oswego NY 13126 USA http://www.senecahillperennials.com/ John Grimshaw wrote: Tony, Lauw and Ellen: do your plants come from known wild provenances? John Grimshaw Dr John M. Grimshaw Sycamore Cottage Colesbourne Nr Cheltenham Gloucestershire GL53 9NP Tel. 01242 870567 --