Thank you Kelly, Tony, Jim, Jim, James et al. The comments do help and I thank you all. I do live where it snows a few times in winter. It is a mild winter for most of you, but I do get enough chill hours to grow several fruit trees that don't do well in the lower elevations. I live near Julian, which is famous for its apples, and near the Laguna mountains which draw all the local 'flatlanders' for snow days all winter. California has many climates and I am in an unusual one. I get real winter, real baking summer in the fall, a spring that is usually 1 week long between the two... and don't forget the winds and wildfires! I have grown both Lycoris squamigera and Amaryllis on my property at 3700 ft altitude. The Amaryllis only lasted a year and that was in 2002 before the Cedar fire burned over my gardens. That one didn't survive and I haven't ordered one since. I have planted several Lycoris here, and still have some of those. And the foliage comments are interesting to check out. L. radiata has foliage developing now, and the L. squamigera is nowhere in sight. I think L. aurea disappeared last year. I will get my gardening friends to gather some local samples for me next summer and check out the keys to identify garden escapees. Our conversation was started because someone was just seeing the foliage, so that does suggest for the Amaryllis. Thank you again. Marguerite in chilly mountains of Southern California where the storm just left! Thank God for real rain!!!! James Waddick wrote: > Does this help? > > Best Jim W. > >