CITES II and Galanthus - Currently with APHIS
William Aley (Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:03:50 PST)

Well Tim,
I can't say anything about your real life adventures but if you let me
know the particulars, I'll contact the CITES Manager myself in the
new year.
Also anytime the Government makes mistake , you can at a minimum file
for a Tort Claim. You may not get 100 % recovery, but you can reclaim
lost $ for your effort. Every Tort Claim is investigated by OGC and
creates motivation to change in the system.
Remember it's your government, you can make the system work for you or
you can sit back and wait for change to occur. Also CITES is not US
law it is an international agreement. US adopts the CITES standards.

Bill

On Dec 23, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Tim Harvey wrote:

Well maybe that's what is supposed to happen, but is absolutely not
what has happened, as recently as the last three months.

Has anyone ever been offered even the opportunity to obtain
appropriate documents? I know of plants destroyed because of a
simple typo the genus on the contents list, and "Nothing could be
done".

I even know of shipments that were supposedly returned but then all
paperwork pertaining to the return was 'lost' along with the plants.

It is hardly a system that inspires confidence.

T> So what really happens?> When the plants are presented or
discovered at the ports of entry in > the USA. Certain documents are
necessary to allow those plants to > enter. As mentioned the Phyto
is the most important document. For rare > plants, a CITES document.
Because the US is currently busy funding a > freedom operation to
the folks in the middle east, government > resources are limited and
now importers myst pay a small fee for an > CITES import permit $70
which is every two years (don't be too > concerned- because in the
very near future, the price will triple to > about $350 for all
import permits- Thanks be to George).> If you don't have the
documents- the government has to follow some > specific guidelines
to process the plant material.> 1. the importer is provided 21 days
to obtain the necessary documents > from the exporting country. The
plants sit in a not so nice place > (usually depending of the plant
inspection station it's as good as > they have) at least
it's not anything like where the plants were > growing prior to
being transported to the USA.> After this period of time, the
importer should be contacted to verify > that they have produced the
documents or the plants will be sent to > the country of export or
to a rescue center.> Usually 15 days is the grace period for this.>
If the importer fails to obtain the documents. USA will contact the

country of export and offer the material back to that country. The
exporting country must pay for freight costs only. 99% of the time
this is rejected. Then the plants are referred to Fish and

Wildlife > who looks art the address of the importer and follows a
list of > available rescue centers. They try to make the the rescue
center NOT > the same as the address or State of the importer. Too
many folks at > botanical gardens pulled fast ones and eventually
the government > figured it out.> Then, now almost 60 days after the
initial import into the USA, the > plants are off to a
rescue center. They arrive often very tired and in > bad shape.
Definitely not happy plants.>
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