So glad to have you with us, Jim. > I have had a couple of clumps of a pale blue species, Thanks for all kind words. Pale blue is likely 'Wisley' or 'Wisley Blue' (not sure which is correct cv name). Typical unflorum is very(!) pale blue. If you notice it's blue, it's probably Wisley. I understand is practically a weed for Lee Poulsen. Wish it was more aggressive here - my kind of weed. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +