In a message dated 1/23/03 10:05:32 AM, DaveKarn@aol.com writes: << Daffodils grow well in the PNW (Pacific Northwest) but don't sell well there because they are denizens of almost every farm hedgerow, pasture and urban garden. The Dutch sell increasing thousands of the same clones each Fall, a fact that would indicate there is a market, perhaps for something different but at prices that can't be sustained if one wants to pay the mortgage. Oregon is also the preferred area (Willamette Valley ) for those who would hybridize and grow this genus for retail sale in niche businesses. Those who want to collect Historic or Heirloom daffodils have a field day driving around in Spring and attending the annual daffodil show in Amity where there is a Children's Section that often has more flowers ( 900-1000+ ) in it than the entire rest of the show! These kids pick something from Grandma's garden or the local fence row and enter them in the show; it's fun, but a judging headache! Thus, I find it strange that Diana seems to have trouble with them.>> Dave, Wouldn't the above tend to contradict the assertion that the bulb fly is a serious problem in this region?? Or are the older varieties more resistant? Best wishes, Bill the Bulb Baron William R.P. Welch P.O. Box 1736 (UPS: 264 West Carmel Valley Road) Carmel Valley, CA 93924-1736, USA Phone/fax (831) 659-3830