Jennifer, If you want to tackle a vendor where group orders really matter, how about organizing one for Hoog & Dix in Holland? We would need a current price list for all interested parties (including me). Arnold T. organized one or two of these a few years ago, and it's a lot of work. You can ask Arnold. Hoog & Dix are more or less the modern day equivalent of the old Van Tubergen Zwanenberg nursery in the Netherlands. H & D supply small wholesale orders for a lot of unusual and hard to find bulbs. Moreover they have a reputation for shipping correctly labeled bulbs! The last time I ordered, the minimum order was about 500 Dutch Guilders (value of the bulbs), which is probably about 250 euros and maybe 260 dollars, more or less. Shipping and phytos are extra. Anyway, if there were going to be a group order to Hoog & Dix, I'd like to get a copy of their list and put in a few things for myself. Jim Shields in cold central Indiana, where it is snowing again ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. +1-317-896-3925 Member of INTERNATIONAL CLIVIA CO-OP