Dear All, Mark McDonough has offered to help me with the Wiki. So if some of you are having troubles using it please write one of us for help and we will try to assist you. Mark's address is mailto:Antennaria@aol.com If you upload something that is too big or won't show or needs to come off just ask us to remove it for you. We are the only ones who can do that. If any of you see something that shouldn't be there let us know. We will always be trying to improve the instructions to reflect any new problems that have come up. Mark discovered that Doug's underscore key on his MAC looks like space to Unix so hopefully that has been solved by using hyphens instead. So when I get a chance I will change that on the instructions. A couple of you have been pointing people to the address for the wiki files. And some of you have already discovered why that isn't entirely satisfactory. There are a couple of reasons. First the naming system has not been consistent. Even using underscore and hyphens puts the names in a different place alphabetically. Then some people have spaces in the front of their names or have just used species names. I have no doubt that people will continue to be creative in their naming no matter what our instructions are. Once the file gets linked to a wiki page it no longer matters so much. Secondly, it is Mark's and my vision that the Wiki will be more than a gallery of pictures. We hope there will be information about the pictures that others will find useful. And we want the photographer identified which we can't do on the file page. Plus we will be adding outside urls for the genera (like Mark's webpage for Alliums, Tony's for Crocus, Bill Richardson's once we create an Ixia page, etc.) Then if someone is really interested in a genus they can go to the wiki page for that genus and read about it, see pictures provided by our members, and links to other sites. How this develops will depend a lot on who gets interested in this project and how much time they have to spend on it. We can't do it all. So I am suggesting that we refer people instead of to the files page to the Photographs And Information page. I have made it the home page for my browser. On the top left hand corner there is a recent changes button so you can see what has been worked on that may not have been announced on the list. Here is the URL: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… If you look there you might find that I have been busy adding pictures for one of my favorite genera. (Hint--Think what most people consider the most beautiful genus associated with California.) If some of you who have web pages would add a link for our wiki perhaps others might find it. Until the Pacific Bulb Society web page gets created (the one that Lawrence did for us only tells about the list and the wiki) we are rather invisible at the moment. If you aren't willing to add your images to the Photographs page or to add a page for a new genus if your image is new to that page, please tell us enough about it when you post your image that someone else can do it for you. Thanks all. Mary Sue PBS List and Wiki Administrator