Dear All; I think we need to give another round of appreciation to Mary Sue (private email, please) for rounding up a number of messages from the Trillium list. And I suggest membership if you have an interest in Trillium or other shade/woodland plants. Mark Mc. just replied about Arisaema and I point you to another Email group (Arisaema - L) for fanatics of this group. If there's enough interest I can post membership info. I failed to give one experience with Roscoea. Years ago I came across a mass of Roscoea (sp unknown) in Sichuan Province (probably Zone 9). The plants were a solid ground cover and totally confined to the shade of a small grove of Junipers(fairly dense shade). In late April, there was no new growth, all dead brown foliage. I was most impressed that these were growing in densely crusted fine grained clay (possibly loess). The degree of success from so many people in a wide range of places gives me new urges to try these again. Prhaps Jim Shields can present his Roscoea sources for our perusal. A Google search does turn up a few places. One more time. best and thanks Mary Sue Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 E-fax 419-781-8594 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +