Hello, So, does anyone have experience germinating the hardy H.occidentalis? I still have two pots seeds sitting with no activity at all. They were potted up in Sept/Oct shortly after falling off the plants. I assumed that they were immediate germinators considering that the seeds were so large and fleshy. Also does anyone else have experience with hardiness in this species? I have forms from southern Alabama and Georgia that winter over just fine here in Kansas. Several years now in fact with no problems and good offsetting also. Other forms with known provinence would be nice. Lastly, any experience with crossing H.occidentalis with other species to increase hardiness with other traits. Not sure what could be improved upon though, maybe stoloniferous characters or earlier flowering. All the best, Aaron Floden Manhattan, KS ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com/