Aaron, I agree with Jay, delayed germination of H. occidentalis seeds is quite normal. I've germinated a lot of H. occidentalis seeds here, from my own plants. I start them under lights indoors in the Fall; I keep them warm and watered. They start to germinate sporadically after Christmas, and some continue germinating into late Spring. I crossed H. liriosme X H. occidentalis last summer using stored pollen from H. occidentalis. I got a few seeds, which germinated more like liriosme seeds (not delayed). It will be a few years before I can try to figure out if these seedlings are really [liriosme X occidentalis] or are merely more liriosme. Regards, Jim Shields in cold, snowy, central Indiana (USA) ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA