Veltheimia bracteata from seed Some years ago I took part in a discussion on germinating Veltheimia seed in which the use of 'smoke water' or smoking the seed trays was recommended. At that time I indicated that I was surprised that there should be a need to carry out such measures as my seed was germinating with 95% success rate. After some debate I concluded that my success was due to the very fresh nature of the seed I was using. Now that some years have passed and I have accumulated a store of seed that is no longer fresh I decided to try some seed from 2004. Germination has still been at least 90% successful. This note is simply to add to the observation made back in what ever year it was (have no record of the e-mail from then). Regards Don Journet Bacchus Marsh Victoria Australia