Mary Sue wrote, >When someone suggested changing this list to a forum earlier this >year, it was pointed out that there is already an excellent forum >for bulbs sponsored by the Scottish Rock Garden club and expertly run >by Maggi Young. I participated in the SRGC forum for a while but quit because I felt there were too many posts that lacked content. The SRGC itself is a valuable organization to belong to because its journal (published twice a year) is sometimes of great interest, and it has a very good seed exchange if you're willing to jump through the seed-importing hoops. I don't belong to any of the single-genus online discussion groups, but friends who do often report interesting information from them, and anyone can look at their archives. Regarding regional vs. global discussion groups, I think there's a need for both. Moreover, we should not jump to the conclusion that the North Atlantic rim is a bad place to grow bulbs. Alpine and continental steppe species, bulbous and otherwise, often grow very well at high latitudes where they experience the solid winter dormancy for which they have evolved. The Rock Garden Quarterly (NARGS) has featured botanic gardens in such places as Newfoundland and Norway that host wonderful arrays of species, including some bulbs, and no one can be unaware of the success enjoyed by Janis Ruksans and his colleagues in Latvia (though he does grow many kinds in greenhouses). As for language, English is, by default, the lingua franca of the Internet. As a linguist and native speaker of English I have to feel guilty about that, but it's a fait accompli. (Notice in the previous sentences how handy English is at absorbing useful phrases from other languages -- though unlike the British, we Americans generally pronounce them in "foreign.") Nevertheless, I think people who have a passive ("reading") knowledge of English but feel uncomfortable trying to write it should be able to post their thoughts and information in the most broadly accessible language of which they have active command. I expect most of us can read Spanish and/or French, and many of us can read German; and if you know English and German you can probably read Dutch, or if you know SPanish and a little Latin you can read Italian. There are bilingual dictionaries online if you don't happen to have an 8-foot shelf of them near your computer (OK, I do, but I've always needed them). I admit these observations are Eurocentric and limited to languages using the roman alphabet, and I also feel guilty about not having learned Chinese when I was young enough to memorize their writing system. Who would have known, thirty years ago, that we would have an Internet with tempting Chinese pages -- some of them with pictures of plants? Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA